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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 7, 2017 9:32:09 GMT
Today marks the start (unofficially) of the reviews into Ceredigion, Gwynedd and Powys (which will see Ceredigion and Gwynedd's final recommendations published in the autumn of next year and Powys's by the end of next year). The number of councillors for each authority have been decided as: Ceredigion 38 (-4), Gwynedd 67 (-8) and Powys 66 (-7). Based on the electoral review for the Westminster constituencies, this makes the electoral quota for each authority as follows: Ceredigion 1,345 electors, Gwynedd 1,204 electors and Powys 1,515 electors. As my interest is specifically in Ceredigion, this is how our council stacks up (but I would be happy to post the data for Gwynedd and Powys as well, if anyone is interested) Are these reviews not supposed to – at least for the moment — take into account residents of those areas who are still allowed to vote in local but not House of Commons elections? They are, but that's not likely to make too much difference, except perhaps round the margins in Bangor and Aberystwyth.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jan 27, 2017 10:40:08 GMT
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jan 28, 2017 13:06:23 GMT
I have been very lucky enough to have been given the community electorates for Ceredigion (and have been told that they will be published shortly) so will not upload my spreadsheet as a precaution, but will post the following information.
The electoral quota for each councillor is 1,460 (from an electorate of 55,490 divided by the proposed 38 councillors) and of the community / town councils that pass this mark, these are the allocations based on that quota:
Aberystwyth 7,588 electors = 5.20 councillors Cardigan 3,246 electors = 2.22 councillors Llandysul 2,157 electors = 1.48 councillors Aberporth 1,871 electors = 1.28 councillors Lampeter 1,790 electors = 1.23 councillors Llanbadarn Fawr 1,661 electors = 1.14 councillors Faenor 1,640 electors = 1.12 councillors Llandyfriog 1,455 electors = 1.00 councillors
All other communities are below the electoral quota of 1,460 electors with the smallest being Ysgubor-y-Coed with only 232 electors.
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Post by Foggy on Jan 28, 2017 21:01:16 GMT
The Commission will ( at my suggestion) be publishing the electorate by community council / community council ward where suitable and will contact me when this information is available. Thanks for this Harry, and for prodding the LDBCW in the right direction in terms of the information they make available. I'm afraid I can't make any informed comments about your corner of the principality, but I hope that figures at community ward level are also released to the public when the Gwynedd review goes live.
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Post by Penddu on Jan 29, 2017 2:38:22 GMT
The Commission will ( at my suggestion) be publishing the electorate by community council / community council ward where suitable and will contact me when this information is available. I'm afraid I can't make any informed comments about your corner of the principality, Arghh.....Wales.Is.Not.A.Principality..... since 1535....
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jan 29, 2017 22:48:02 GMT
Whilst waiting for the Local Government Boundary Commission to publish the numbers, here's my first attempt at the new Ceredigion with 38 councillors from 37 wards (starting from the north and heading south)
Borth and Geneu'r Glyn = 1,631 (112% of electoral quota) Ceulanamaesmawr (Llangynfelyn, Ysgubor-y-Coed, Ceulanamaesmawr) = 1,531 (105% of electoral quota) Clarach and Bow Street (Llangorwen, Tirmynach) = 1,414 (97% of electoral quota) Trefeurig = 1,393 (95% of electoral quota) Aberystwyth North = 1,206 (83% of electoral quota) Aberystwyth, Bronglais = 1,025 (70% of electoral quota) Aberystwyth Central = 1,422 (97% of electoral quota) Aberystwyth, Rheidol = 1,745 (120% of electoral quota) Aberystwyth, Penparcau = 2,190 (150% of electoral quota) and will elect two councillors Llanbadarn Fawr (Padarn, Sulien) = 1,661 (114% of electoral quota) Comins Coch and Faenor (Waunfawr, Faenor) = 1,640 (112% of electoral quota) Pumlumon Fawr and Ponterwyd (Blaenrheidol, Llanbadarn y Creuddyn Uchaf, Goginan, Penllwyn) = 1,199 (82% of electoral quota) Blaenplwyf and Capel Seion (Llanbadarn y Creuddyn, Llanychaiarn, Deiniol) = 1,276 (88% of electoral quota) Ystwyth Valley (Pontarfynach, Ysbyty Ystwyth, Llanafan, Llanfihangel y Creuddyn) = 1,523 (104% of electoral quota) Llanon, Llansantffraed and Llanrhystud (Mefenydd, Haminiog, Llansantffraed) = 1,760 (121% of electoral quota) Strata Florida (Caron-Uwch-Clawdd, Gwnnws Uchaf, Lledrod Uchaf, Lledrod Isaf, Blaenpennal) = 1,250 (86% of electoral quota Tregaron and Llandewi Brefi (Tregaron, Llandewi Brefi) = 1,422 (97% of electoral quota) Cilcennin and Bethania (Llanbadarn Trefeglwys, Penwuch, Nantcwnlle, Cilcennin, Trefilan) = 1,914 (131% of electoral quota) Aeron Valley (Llanddewi Aberarth, Ciliau Aeron, Henfynyw) = 1,611 (110% of electoral quota) Aberaeron (Aberaeron) = 1,105 (76% of electoral quota) New Quay and Cross Inn (Llanllwchaiarn, New Quay) = 1,599 (110% of electoral quota) Llanarth and Synod Inn (Llanarth, Mydroilyn) = 1,172 (80% of electoral quota) Felinfach and Cribyn (Dihewid, Llanfihangel Ystrad, = 1,174 (80% of electoral quota) Llangeitho and Llangybi (Gwynfil, Gartheli, Llangybi, Llanfair Clydogau, Cellan) = 1,277 (87% of electoral quota) Lampeter (Lampeter) = 1,790 (123% of electoral quota) Llanwenog (Silian, Llanwnnen, Llanwenog) = 1,601 (110% of electoral quota) Llangrannog and Talgarreg (Llangrannog, Llandysiliogogo) = 1,495 (102% of electoral quota Tresaith, Sarnau and Ffostrasol (Penbryn, Troedyraur) = 1,785 (122% of electoral quota) Capel Dewi and Tre-groes (Pontshaen, Tregroes, Llangynllo, Capel Dewi) = 1,442 (99% of electoral quota) Llandysul (Trefol) = 1,101 (75% of electoral quota) Llandyfriog and Aber-banc (Llandyfriog, Orllwyn Teifi) = 1,455 (100% of electoral quota) Beulah and Cenarth Falls (Llandygwydd, Beulah, Bettws Evan, Brongwyn) = 1,373 (94% of electoral quota) Porth Valley (Aberporth) = 1,871 (128% of electoral quota) Cardigan Rural (Y Ferwig, Llangoedmor) = 1,872 (128% of electoral quota) Cardigan, Mwdlan (Mwdlan) = 1,529 (105% of electoral quota) Cardigan, Teifiside (Teifi, Rhyd-y-Fuwch) = 1,717 (118% of electoral quota)
36 single member wards, 1 two member ward = 38 councillors
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 23:30:19 GMT
Arghh.....Wales.Is.Not.A.Principality..... since 1535.... And the bit that most people now live in was not part of the said principality. The pedantic term ought to be dominion, as that's what all the 16th-18th century acts call it... After the Acts of Union, both the Principality and the marcher lordships were wholly subsumed into England, and the only definition of Wales as an entity was the area which happened to be covered by the Court of Great Sessions in Wales. This excluded Monmouthshire, which was included in another circuit (leading to the erroneous idea that it had become an English county), as well as culturally Welsh areas of Shropshire and Herefordshire.
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Post by Penddu on Jan 30, 2017 3:33:00 GMT
The 1535 act did clearly define the borders of Wales which have remained virtually unchanged to this day. And you are correct in that Monmouthshire was clearly part of Wales and the 1542 act just confused things.
Not sure how accurate or meaningful the term dominion is....but Principality is inaccurate and meaningless.
Wales is a historic nation and a constituent country of the UK, and there is no reason that either of these terms should not be used.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jan 30, 2017 18:04:53 GMT
The 1535 act did clearly define the borders of Wales which have remained virtually unchanged to this day. And you are correct in that Monmouthshire was clearly part of Wales and the 1542 act just confused things. Not sure how accurate or meaningful the term dominion is....but Principality is inaccurate and meaningless. Wales is a historic nation and a constituent country of the UK, and there is no reason that either of these terms should not be used. Could the term "principality" comes about because there is a Prince of Wales and if so, do you believe the term should be dropped from everyday use?
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Jan 30, 2017 18:49:52 GMT
The 1535 act did clearly define the borders of Wales which have remained virtually unchanged to this day. And you are correct in that Monmouthshire was clearly part of Wales and the 1542 act just confused things. Not sure how accurate or meaningful the term dominion is....but Principality is inaccurate and meaningless. Wales is a historic nation and a constituent country of the UK, and there is no reason that either of these terms should not be used. Could the term "principality" comes about because there is a Prince of Wales and if so, do you believe the term should be dropped from everyday use? The thing with the title "Prince of Wales", is that these days it's really more of a courtesy title awarded to the heir to the throne, as opposed to a designation for a regional monarch. As for a suitable description for what Wales is, I suppose the term "province" is as good a term as any.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jan 30, 2017 21:17:34 GMT
I'd much rather the Queen chose to style herself as Lord of Wales, just as she is Lord of Mann (which is the surviving Dominion in the sense that Wales was), and as Henry VIII was Lord of Ireland before he called himself King of Ireland. Man (and the Isles) was a kingdom until the last king, one of the Stanleys, decided he would rather be "a mighty lord than a petty king". Interesting stuff on Wales.
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Post by Foggy on Jan 30, 2017 23:13:44 GMT
"The Dominion Building Society, sponsors of The Dominion Stadium in Cardiff." It'll never catch on... Incidentally, I've never heard of people in the Principado de Asturias having this kind of conversation about its constitutional status, but the laws under which it became known as a principality are probably not as confusing and complicated as those for Wales described above.
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Post by Penddu on Jan 31, 2017 3:32:13 GMT
The 1535 act did clearly define the borders of Wales which have remained virtually unchanged to this day. And you are correct in that Monmouthshire was clearly part of Wales and the 1542 act just confused things. Not sure how accurate or meaningful the term dominion is....but Principality is inaccurate and meaningless. Wales is a historic nation and a constituent country of the UK, and there is no reason that either of these terms should not be used. Could the term "principality" comes about because there is a Prince of Wales and if so, do you believe the term should be dropped from everyday use? In my experience, this term is more often used by people from outside of Wales - it is rarely used by Welsh people, especially younger ones. Personally I find the term offensive (it was originally intended as an insult) and I am not very happy with Principality Building Society sponsoring MillStad because it will encourage people to adopt the term again
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Post by Penddu on Jan 31, 2017 12:54:17 GMT
Back to the subject of Welsh Local Government, Welsh Labour has suggested that each council should be able to decide which form of voting is used in Welsh council elections. Sounds like a recipe for confusion and obfuscation to me....
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 31, 2017 13:07:27 GMT
I agree with you there, ridiculous idea.
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 31, 2017 13:33:42 GMT
Back to the subject of Welsh Local Government, Welsh Labour has suggested that each council should be able to decide which form of voting is used in Welsh council elections. Sounds like a recipe for confusion and obfuscation to me.... but a bloody devious wildcard to throw into the prediction competition...
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jan 31, 2017 17:58:30 GMT
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Post by greenhert on Jan 31, 2017 23:46:49 GMT
Back to the subject of Welsh Local Government, Welsh Labour has suggested that each council should be able to decide which form of voting is used in Welsh council elections. Sounds like a recipe for confusion and obfuscation to me.... They should all use STV as Scottish local councils do-it works well for local government.
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Post by Penddu on Feb 1, 2017 2:35:39 GMT
They are also fudging the council mergers by imposing regions but with three regions for transport, x number for eductation, 7 health regions....incapabke of making a decision..!
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Post by Foggy on Feb 1, 2017 6:40:28 GMT
The parts of that document relevant to electoral systems appear to contradict each other in places. A pure list system is rightly ruled out, but I don't see why AMS would be inconsistent with an area that has a strong tradition of returning independent members to the council. Independents could still win most of the FPTP seats, then political parties would provide all (or most, not forgetting the example of Margo Macdonald in the Scottish Parliament) of the additional councillors.
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