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Post by mrpastelito on Mar 15, 2017 20:13:25 GMT
I changed my vote from Libertarian to Forum voor Democratie and hope they really manage to get in.
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Post by mondialito on Mar 15, 2017 20:22:40 GMT
At what stage do the ethnic minorities get onto the register? Only upon gaining full Dutch citizenship? Any qualifying periods? Will quite a lot of the Turks be unregistered? We have automatic registration. Everybody over 18 with Dutch citizenship (except for those whose voting rights have been taken away, which is highly unusual) receives a voting pass three weeks before the election and can vote in any polling station in their municipality if they bring their voting pass and their ID. Most Dutch Turks have Dutch citizenship. Undoubtedly this is good news for DENK. However, turnout in Amsterdam seems to be much higher in a lot of white areas, which could be good for GL, and in Rotterdam turnout is particularly high in some lower middle class and white working class areas, which may be positive news for the PVV. I haven't been following this thread much, so apologies if I am parotting, but who are DENK and what would make them appeal to ethnic minorities more than the other parties? |
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 15, 2017 20:25:12 GMT
DENK is a Turkish minority party.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 20:25:48 GMT
We have automatic registration. Everybody over 18 with Dutch citizenship (except for those whose voting rights have been taken away, which is highly unusual) receives a voting pass three weeks before the election and can vote in any polling station in their municipality if they bring their voting pass and their ID. Most Dutch Turks have Dutch citizenship. Undoubtedly this is good news for DENK. However, turnout in Amsterdam seems to be much higher in a lot of white areas, which could be good for GL, and in Rotterdam turnout is particularly high in some lower middle class and white working class areas, which may be positive news for the PVV. I haven't been following this thread much, so apologies if I am parotting, but who are DENK and what would make them appeal to ethnic minorities more than the other parties? Its basically a Turkish immigrant party. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DENK_(Dutch_political_party) |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 15, 2017 20:26:58 GMT
We have automatic registration. Everybody over 18 with Dutch citizenship (except for those whose voting rights have been taken away, which is highly unusual) receives a voting pass three weeks before the election and can vote in any polling station in their municipality if they bring their voting pass and their ID. Most Dutch Turks have Dutch citizenship. Undoubtedly this is good news for DENK. However, turnout in Amsterdam seems to be much higher in a lot of white areas, which could be good for GL, and in Rotterdam turnout is particularly high in some lower middle class and white working class areas, which may be positive news for the PVV. I haven't been following this thread much, so apologies if I am parotting, but who are DENK and what would make them appeal to ethnic minorities more than the other parties? That was the basis on which they were founded : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DENK_(Dutch_political_party) |
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Post by mondialito on Mar 15, 2017 20:31:18 GMT
Ok thanks. The creation of a 'party of minorites' suggests that the other parties have failed to be inclusive, even allowing for the fragmented nature of politics there.
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Post by iain on Mar 15, 2017 20:35:59 GMT
Turnout is 81% according to the exit poll.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 15, 2017 20:41:15 GMT
Ok thanks. The creation of a 'party of minorites' suggests that the other parties have failed to be inclusive, even allowing for the fragmented nature of politics there. Denk are also effectively an Erdogan front party. The minorities are actually reasonably active in several of the parties. The collapse of the PvdA, their usual home, has opened up opportunities for others. I defer to mazuz though. |
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Post by An Sionnach Flannbhuí on Mar 15, 2017 20:46:49 GMT
Wow. Well done Rutte. I would have voted for you too. Odd, in a way, given that Rutte - once hailed as "the Dutch Nick Clegg" - really did play the sub-Wilders routine here (albeit provoked by the Turks) but I mean more his "open letter", if you don't like it leave, etc. He's won but only by trailing Wilders. A sea change in Dutch politics or a victory for liberalism? Jury's surely out. |
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Post by iain on Mar 15, 2017 20:49:25 GMT
Ipsos exit poll, share of vote:
20.6% VVD
12.7% CDA
12.6% D66
12.6% PVV
10.7% GL
9.3% SP
6.0% PvdA
4.0% CU
3.3% PvdD
2.7% 50+
2.0% SGP
2.0% Denk
1.3% FvD
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 15, 2017 20:50:00 GMT
Anyway, if these exit polls are correct, Rutte has done very well. GL, D66 have both done well as predicted but the CDA are back from the dead.
I once saw an article that suggested that, when faced with uninspiring or extreme choices, Dutch voters look to the CDA as a moderating choice. I doubted it but maybe it is true.
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Post by An Sionnach Flannbhuí on Mar 15, 2017 20:50:58 GMT
Ok thanks. The creation of a 'party of minorites' suggests that the other parties have failed to be inclusive, even allowing for the fragmented nature of politics there. The creation of a 'party of minorities' might also suggest a minority population that refuses to integrate. If other minority populations have not set up their own micro-parties (and let's face it, Holland with its electoral system is the place to do so) then you might question why this. |
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Post by mboy on Mar 15, 2017 20:53:49 GMT
Wow. Well done Rutte. I would have voted for you too. Odd, in a way, given that Rutte - once hailed as "the Dutch Nick Clegg" - really did play the sub-Wilders routine here (albeit provoked by the Turks) but I mean more his "open letter", if you don't like it leave, etc. He's won but only by trailing Wilders. A sea change in Dutch politics or a victory for liberalism? Jury's surely out. Perhaps you haven't read enough of my posts here over the last year - I'm 100% behind Rutte's positioning when it comes to integration, religion, and cultural values. Ditto the Muslim Rotterdam mayor (actually Labour Party) who said that immigrants who cannot take cartoon caricature should "fuck off". |
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Post by iain on Mar 15, 2017 20:54:20 GMT
First results in from some Frisian islands.
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Post by mboy on Mar 15, 2017 20:56:12 GMT
Ipsos exit poll, share of vote: 20.6% VVD 12.7% CDA 12.6% D66 12.6% PVV 10.7% GL 9.3% SP 6.0% PvdA 4.0% CU 3.3% PvdD 2.7% 50+ 2.0% SGP 2.0% Denk 1.3% FvD Exit polls usually understate controversial parties like PVV? Can we expect them to come 2nd? |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 15, 2017 20:57:53 GMT
Ok thanks. The creation of a 'party of minorites' suggests that the other parties have failed to be inclusive, even allowing for the fragmented nature of politics there. The creation of a 'party of minorities' might also suggest a minority population that refuses to integrate. If other minority populations have not set up their own micro-parties (and let's face it, Holland with its electoral system is the place to do so) then you might question why this. Well it was founded by two MPs who had left the Labour party so presumably considered reasonably integrated up to that point. And in such a fragmented system it would stand a good chance of success . And as sibb says the hand of Erdogan is there too. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 20:59:08 GMT
Ipsos exit poll, share of vote: 20.6% VVD 12.7% CDA 12.6% D66 12.6% PVV 10.7% GL 9.3% SP 6.0% PvdA 4.0% CU 3.3% PvdD 2.7% 50+ 2.0% SGP 2.0% Denk 1.3% FvD Exit polls usually understate controversial parties like PVV? Can we expect them to come 2nd? They underpolled them last time, so that would be a fairly good bet. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 15, 2017 21:02:57 GMT
First results in from some Frisian islands. "Current projections show a SGP landslide". |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 21:05:32 GMT
The creation of a 'party of minorities' might also suggest a minority population that refuses to integrate. If other minority populations have not set up their own micro-parties (and let's face it, Holland with its electoral system is the place to do so) then you might question why this. Well it was founded by two MPs who had left the Labour party so presumably considered reasonably integrated up to that point. And in such a fragmented system it would stand a good chance of success . And as sibb says the hand of Erdogan is there too. And given that this is a country where a testimonial fundamentalist Christian party can actually win seats, I'm not sure we should read too much into it really. |
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Post by iain on Mar 15, 2017 21:27:40 GMT
First results in from some Frisian islands. "Current projections show a SGP landslide". Not quite ... 0.8% in Schiermonnikoog and 0.0% in Vlieland |
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