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Post by lennon on Mar 15, 2017 15:33:58 GMT
Turnout is apparently high - quite possibly back over 80%. Amazing what happens when you have proportional representation so that votes actually matter and make a difference... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 15:40:05 GMT
Turnout is apparently high - quite possibly back over 80%. Higher in the cities than in the small towns and countryside (compared to last time), so religious voters will likely be a smaller part of the electorate. |
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 15, 2017 15:44:48 GMT
Turnout is apparently high - quite possibly back over 80%. Higher in the cities than in the small towns and countryside (compared to last time), so religious voters will likely be a smaller part of the electorate. Would that indicate a determination by PVV support from urban areas partly from sectors not having voted before as well as a good turnout by usual voters for their normal parties? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 15:50:14 GMT
Ipsos predicts turnout to be at 80.2%
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 15, 2017 15:53:28 GMT
Ipsos predicts turnout to be at 80.2% What is the state of register accuracy and newness? 80'2% could represent a very high true TO in many urban areas of high population turnover? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 15:53:48 GMT
Higher in the cities than in the small towns and countryside (compared to last time), so religious voters will likely be a smaller part of the electorate. Would that indicate a determination by PVV support from urban areas partly from sectors not having voted before as well as a good turnout by usual voters for their normal parties? I don't know enough about Dutch voting patterns to say that. One factor is no doubt increased ethnic minority turnout for DENK. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 15, 2017 15:56:10 GMT
Turnout is apparently high - quite possibly back over 80%. Amazing what happens when you have proportional representation so that votes actually matter and make a difference... It should be pointed out though (and I am in favour of PR) that even in a system of pure PR like the Dutch one, with loads of parties, every fifth voter still does not bother. |
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 15, 2017 15:56:31 GMT
Would that indicate a determination by PVV support from urban areas partly from sectors not having voted before as well as a good turnout by usual voters for their normal parties? I don't know enough about Dutch voting patterns to say that. One factor is no doubt increased ethnic minority turnout for DENK. At what stage do the ethnic minorities get onto the register? Only upon gaining full Dutch citizenship? Any qualifying periods? Will quite a lot of the Turks be unregistered? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 16:21:25 GMT
Amazing what happens when you have proportional representation so that votes actually matter and make a difference... It should be pointed out though (and I am in favour of PR) that even in a system of pure PR like the Dutch one, with loads of parties, every fifth voter still does not bother. The level of fragmentation in the Dutch system likely also causes disengagement. You know it will be some broad centrist coalition (with nearly identical policies to the previous broad centrist coalition) no matter what you vote, so why bother? No matter what the system is some aspects of it will turn some people off. |
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Post by mazuz on Mar 15, 2017 16:24:18 GMT
I don't know enough about Dutch voting patterns to say that. One factor is no doubt increased ethnic minority turnout for DENK. At what stage do the ethnic minorities get onto the register? Only upon gaining full Dutch citizenship? Any qualifying periods? Will quite a lot of the Turks be unregistered? We have automatic registration. Everybody over 18 with Dutch citizenship (except for those whose voting rights have been taken away, which is highly unusual) receives a voting pass three weeks before the election and can vote in any polling station in their municipality if they bring their voting pass and their ID. Most Dutch Turks have Dutch citizenship. Undoubtedly this is good news for DENK. However, turnout in Amsterdam seems to be much higher in a lot of white areas, which could be good for GL, and in Rotterdam turnout is particularly high in some lower middle class and white working class areas, which may be positive news for the PVV. |
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Post by Terry Weldon on Mar 15, 2017 16:45:22 GMT
I know about drive-in movies, drive-in McDonalds, even drive-in banks - but this is a first:
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Post by J.G.Harston on Mar 15, 2017 16:55:32 GMT
At what stage do the ethnic minorities get onto the register? Only upon gaining full Dutch citizenship? Any qualifying periods? Will quite a lot of the Turks be unregistered? We have automatic registration. Everybody over 18 with Dutch citizenship (except for those whose voting rights have been taken away, which is highly unusual) receives a voting pass three weeks before the election ... How does "the system" know where those adult citizens are so they can be automatically registered? The flaw in any system that doesn't require interaction by members to be registered is how that system knows who to register if those people don't make themselves known to the system. |
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Post by mazuz on Mar 15, 2017 19:13:24 GMT
We have automatic registration. Everybody over 18 with Dutch citizenship (except for those whose voting rights have been taken away, which is highly unusual) receives a voting pass three weeks before the election ... How does "the system" know where those adult citizens are so they can be automatically registered? The flaw in any system that doesn't require interaction by members to be registered is how that system knows who to register if those people don't make themselves known to the system. When people go and live in a municipality they register themselves there. Seems pretty straightforward to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 19:28:25 GMT
Would that indicate a determination by PVV support from urban areas partly from sectors not having voted before as well as a good turnout by usual voters for their normal parties? I don't know enough about Dutch voting patterns to say that. One factor is no doubt increased ethnic minority turnout for DENK. I appeal to all types ;-) |
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Post by mrpastelito on Mar 15, 2017 20:04:11 GMT
Exit Poll: VVD 31 seats, PVV, CDA, and D66 all 19, GroenLinks 16, SP 14, PvdA 9.
I expect VVD to lose a couple to PVV once we get proper results.
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Post by iain on Mar 15, 2017 20:04:12 GMT
Exit Poll
VVD 31
PVV 19
CDA 19
D66 19
GL 16
SP 14
PvdA 9
CU 6
PvdD 5
50+ 4
SGP 3
Denk 3
FvD 2
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Post by Andrew_S on Mar 15, 2017 20:05:50 GMT
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Post by Terry Weldon on Mar 15, 2017 20:06:31 GMT
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Post by mboy on Mar 15, 2017 20:07:45 GMT
Wow. Well done Rutte. I would have voted for you too.
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 15, 2017 20:13:15 GMT
Amusingly bad result for the PvdA, following in the pattern set by e.g. Irish Labour, the LibDems, etc. There's a lesson here for parties in a similar position.
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