Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 8, 2017 5:46:13 GMT
Nothing to boast about, it doesn't make the logical boundary extension on the Wirral... Don't you mean the logical boundary contraction?  Eh?! The boundary between Wirral and the rest of Cheshire would be longer if Ellesmere Port and Neston were included in Wirral council area and the area covered by the council area would be larger so on either count that is a boundary extension. |
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Post by Foggy on Nov 8, 2017 5:56:52 GMT
Don't you mean the logical boundary contraction? Eh?! The boundary between Wirral and the rest of Cheshire would be longer if Ellesmere Port and Neston were included in Wirral council area and the area covered by the council area would be larger so on either count that is a boundary extension. Yes, those would be far more logical borders for the Wirral council area. JG's plan is supposed to be for a Merseyside council area. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 8, 2017 12:44:06 GMT
They play Rugby League. Lancashire. There are plenty of places in other counties where professional League is played, you know: Yorkshire, Cumberland, Roussillon, York County in Ontario... ... just not Cheshire.  I might be hallucinating but didn't Huyton RLFC move to Runcorn at some point? |
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Post by lennon on Nov 8, 2017 13:01:10 GMT
There are plenty of places in other counties where professional League is played, you know: Yorkshire, Cumberland, Roussillon, York County in Ontario... ... just not Cheshire. I might be hallucinating but didn't Huyton RLFC move to Runcorn at some point? 1984 - 1990 according to wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_Stanley |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 8, 2017 13:44:05 GMT
No it isn't. It's my plan. You blatantly skanked it off me  Nothing to boast about, it doesn't make the logical boundary extension on the Wirral... I didn't make any comments about the Wirral, mine related entirely to the Lancashire bank of the Mersey. I would enlarge Wirral to include the old EP&N borough and possibly Chester as well |
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 8, 2017 14:07:26 GMT
Nothing to boast about, it doesn't make the logical boundary extension on the Wirral... I didn't make any comments about the Wirral, mine related entirely to the Lancashire bank of the Mersey. I would enlarge Wirral to include the old EP&N borough and possibly Chester as well Ah, that wasn't clear Pete. I inferred that that was your whole preferred plan for Merseyside. I'd not put Chester in with a Wirral dominated unitary. It's too important to it's hinterland to the south and east to be split off from them. |
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Post by lennon on Nov 8, 2017 14:13:08 GMT
I didn't make any comments about the Wirral, mine related entirely to the Lancashire bank of the Mersey. I would enlarge Wirral to include the old EP&N borough and possibly Chester as well Ah, that wasn't clear Pete. I inferred that that was your whole preferred plan for Merseyside. I'd not put Chester in with a Wirral dominated unitary. It's too important to it's hinterland to the south and east to be split off from them. In all this - what does one do with Widnes / Runcorn? It is tempting to suggest combining both with Warrington - "Mersey Banks Unitary Authority"?  |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Nov 8, 2017 17:45:29 GMT
The boundary between Wirral and the rest of Cheshire would be longer if Ellesmere Port and Neston were included in Wirral council area and the area covered by the council area would be larger so on either count that is a boundary extension. Yes, those would be far more logical borders for the Wirral council area. JG's plan is supposed to be for a Merseyside council area. It was primarily an examination of Merseyside-in-Lancashire. I did briefly look at (The) Wirral but hadn't seen any comments on the area before now, and looking at the map nothing sprang to mind (though that was partially influence by where I cut the map off). |
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Post by Adrian on Nov 8, 2017 19:44:35 GMT
Ah, that wasn't clear Pete. I inferred that that was your whole preferred plan for Merseyside. I'd not put Chester in with a Wirral dominated unitary. It's too important to it's hinterland to the south and east to be split off from them. In all this - what does one do with Widnes / Runcorn? It is tempting to suggest combining both with Warrington - "Mersey Banks Unitary Authority"? Above I included them in Vale Royal to bring it up to UA size, bringing many of the Cheshire salt/chemical towns together. |
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Post by Adrian on Nov 8, 2017 19:48:37 GMT
The proposed Renfrewshire is effectively Glasgow's western hinterlands, combining a mixture of fairly affluent commuter towns with the more industrial Greenock and Port Glasgow. The boundaries around the "Lochwinnoch" district are definitely awkward (as you would almost certainly have to travel through Greater Glasgow to get between the Lochwinnoch district and the rest of Renfrewshire and some very close communities such as Howwood & Johnstone and Neilston & Barrhead are disconnected), however the only alternative would be to form an enlarged Greater Glasgow area with the modern-day council areas of Renfrewshire, Inverclyde, East Renfrewshire, East Dunbartonshire and Glasgow City, plus Rutherglen, or to move most of the Lochwinnoch district into Ayrshire. Why not keep Paisley in Renfrewshire? |
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Post by Foggy on Nov 8, 2017 20:13:44 GMT
There are plenty of places in other counties where professional League is played, you know: Yorkshire, Cumberland, Roussillon, York County in Ontario... ... just not Cheshire. I might be hallucinating but didn't Huyton RLFC move to Runcorn at some point? They did indeed end up on the wrong side of the Mersey for League for a while. No wonder it didn't work out for them, then! |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 8, 2017 20:37:51 GMT
I might be hallucinating but didn't Huyton RLFC move to Runcorn at some point? They did indeed end up on the wrong side of the Mersey for League for a while. No wonder it didn't work out for them, then! I had a work colleague who was from Liverpool and was a Rugby League fan. He supported Huyton. Very nice chap, but my goodness ... ! |
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Post by Eastwood on Nov 9, 2017 12:16:17 GMT
Why not keep Paisley in Renfrewshire? I was trying to create a united Greater Glasgow (conurbation) area, which Paisley is a part of. Paisley is one of the main obstacles in any plan to create a Greater Glasgow, as outlined here. Paisley is a town of significance in it's own right. The Abbey, the shopping centre, the whole atmosphere of the place give it a feeling of solid regional shopping and commuting centre that other peripheral Glasgow suburbs like Giffnock, Rutherglen or Bearsden just don't have. As the 5th largest settlement in Scotland it has a very decent shout to be the next Scottish town to gain city status. It is also the county town and natural administrative centre for the rural parts of Renfrewshire out to Johnstone, Lochwinnoch, Bridge of Weir and Erskine (and to a lesser extent Inverclyde as well). However there is no getting away from the fact that Paisley is integrated into the Greater Glasgow Conurbation. Glasgow Airport is there, commuting patterns are similar to other neighbouring Glasgow authorities with Glasgow a significant presence in the Paisley economy. Paisley does have some separation from Barrhead and Pollok but the boundary between Paisley and Glasgow along the old A8 is really very indistinct. There is no point when you pass from Crookston to Oldhall where it feels like you have crossed a recognisable boundary line. Paisley just merges into Glasgow here. In some ways that isn't a problem, many of the Glasgow suburban authorities merge in the same way at Giffnock, Thornliebank, Bearsden, Yoker, Bishopbriggs, Toryglen you get the exact same feeling of indistinct boundary. But if you decide to create a "Greater Glasgow" authority to encompass the wider region you end up with these difficult issues. Including East Renfrewshire and East Dunbartonshire in Glasgow but leaving out Rutherglen, Paisley and Clydebank makes no sense. But once you include Paisley and Clydebank what do you do with peripheral places like Dumbarton, Erskine and Lochwinnoch that are clearly not "Glasgow" as such but which do naturally link with those Glasgow suburb parts. Hence my preference for actually making Glasgow itself smaller but having some overarching body that can deliver strategic functions in areas like Transport and Regional Development (and probably also the Museums bit of Glasgow Life) at a wider Lanarkshire and Renfrewshire level. How many Bearsden and Clarkston residents are making up the visitors at the Kelvingrove or the Burrell subsidised by Govan taxpayers? That doesn't make sense to me. Equally though I wouldn't want George Square officials running the schools in Eastwood. I'm not sure if a full two tier system is needed but a statutory body covering Glasgow, the Dunbartonshires, Renfrewshires, Lanarkshires and Inverclyde (with Helensburgh and Lomond thrown in too) seems to me the ideal solution. |
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 14, 2017 18:37:02 GMT
They did indeed end up on the wrong side of the Mersey for League for a while. No wonder it didn't work out for them, then! I had a work colleague who was from Liverpool and was a Rugby League fan. He supported Huyton. Very nice chap, but my goodness ... ! My dad, who lived in Huyton at the time, watched them until they moved to Runcorn. Thankfully he then went to watch St Helens as it was closer... It wasn't without risk though, cracked ribs on the terraces at Wembley watching the Saints.  |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 14, 2017 20:31:46 GMT
I had a work colleague who was from Liverpool and was a Rugby League fan. He supported Huyton. Very nice chap, but my goodness ... ! My dad, who lived in Huyton at the time, watched them until they moved to Runcorn. Thankfully he then went to watch St Helens as it was closer... It wasn't without risk though, cracked ribs on the terraces at Wembley watching the Saints. Not much danger of that at Runcorn/ Huyton I suspect. (Except from laughing perhaps.) |
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Post by sirbenjamin on Nov 22, 2017 20:52:10 GMT
Regional senates to deal with big picture stuff.
One senator for each county plus a few pr top up senators.
Each county divided into unitary authorities. Smaller counties like Cornwall, Northumberland etc. can be comprised of only one unitary authority.
And that should be the extent of local government.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 9, 2018 12:19:25 GMT
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Post by Chris from Brum on Feb 9, 2018 13:24:02 GMT
Suffolk Coastal and Waveney will merge to form East Suffolk Forest Heath and St Edmundsbury will merge to form West Suffolk Thus resurrecting the names of two pre-1974 county councils, though not covering the full territory of either. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 15:27:08 GMT
Sajid Javid isn't yet a forum member, but you never know. Oh please, if you're here, let thee be known. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Feb 12, 2018 10:48:54 GMT
Presumably there'll now be some pressure to take up the idea of the Babergh/Mid Suffolk merger, particularly since I seem to recall the referendum was only lost narrowly in whichever ever one of the two voted against. |
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