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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 19:35:23 GMT
I'm trying to find details of the results of some of the Welsh Sunday prohibition referendums which took place between 1961 and 1996.
I understand these polls took place at district council level at seven year intervals but can't find any actual details of results online and only very basic details on Wikipedia.
Can anyone help?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 5, 2016 20:01:11 GMT
Before local government reform it was by county level authority, so county councils and county boroughs. The referendums were in November; at the end, not every district voted in each referendum 1961: Anglesey: Dry majority 10,353 (turnout 57%) Breconshire: Wet majority 1,391 (turnout 53%) Caernarvonshire: Dry majority 24,934 (turnout 61%) Cardiff: Wet majority 26.750 (turnout 34%) Cardiganshire: Dry majority 11,237 (turnout 61.84%) Carmarthenshire: Dry majority 24,934 (turnout 61%) Denbighshire: Dry majority 3,238 (turnout 54%) Flintshire: Wet majority 10,176 (turnout 50%) Glamorganshire: Wet majority 43,887 (turnout 41%) Merionethshire: Dry majority 8,979 (turnout 65.4%) Merthyr Tydfil: Wet majority 7,089 (turnout 51.83%) Monmouthshire: Wet majority 37,693 (turnout 39.83%) Montgomeryshire: Dry majority 2,541 (turnout 58%) Newport: Wet majority 11,087 (turnout 34%) Pembrokeshire: Dry majority 4,599 (turnout 46%) Radnorshire: Wet majority 1,167 (turnout 55%) Swansea: Wet majority 11,601 (turnout 45%) Here's an interesting post from 1996 I kept from Usenet. Anyone know where this chap went? cibwr ? Xref: election uk.politics.electoral:7096
Path: election!news.demon.co.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!stuffing.demon.co.uk!lyn
From: Lyn David Thomas <lyn@stuffing.demon.co.uk>
Newsgroups: uk.politics.electoral,soc.culture.welsh
Subject: Sunday pub opening ballot results.
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:05:54 GMT
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Here are the results of the ballot on Sunday pub opening in
Wales. The government have announced that they are abandoning
the practice of holding ballots every seven years, so these
results will stand.
Ballots were held only if a petition of at least 500 people
requested a change in the status quo.
This year ballots were held under the new local government
units, previously they had been held in the old districts and
prior to 1974 in the old counties.
Ballots were held in only two counties:
Gwynedd - which held the last dry area, Dwyfor
Rhondda-Cynon-Taff - All of which was wet.
The result was
County Dry Wet Turnout Percentage Turnout
Gwynedd 9,829 24,325 34,154 36
Rhondda-Cynon 3,427 24,863 28,290 16
-Taff
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 20:17:29 GMT
Fascinating. I was trying to see if there was any sort of link between the year in which an area went wet and the declining influence of non-conformist Churches in that area.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 6, 2016 19:05:10 GMT
Am I the only person on here to have acted as a teller in such a referendum?
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Sept 6, 2016 19:09:27 GMT
Am I the only person on here to have acted as a teller in such a referendum? Maybe?  Which area? |
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Post by neilm on Sept 6, 2016 19:11:38 GMT
If only they'd hold referenda on prohibiting food sales in pubs on Sundays. I like a pint after evensong as much as anyone, but the way pubs are turning into restaurants is a bit much. Where have you been for the last decade and a half?! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 19:42:56 GMT
Am I the only person on here to have acted as a teller in such a referendum? Which side? |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 6, 2016 20:00:35 GMT
Am I the only person on here to have acted as a teller in such a referendum? Maybe? Which area? Aberconwy. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 6, 2016 20:01:49 GMT
Am I the only person on here to have acted as a teller in such a referendum? Which side? Dry. Not very liberal perhaps, but a reaction to the Wet side bussing in brewery employees from distant points. |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Sept 6, 2016 20:10:00 GMT
Maybe? Which area? Aberconwy. Never heard of it.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 21:51:48 GMT
Dry. Not very liberal perhaps, but a reaction to the Wet side bussing in brewery employees from distant points. Don't tell Arthur Figgis |
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Post by john07 on Sept 6, 2016 23:07:27 GMT
In Anglesey, some of the staunchest supporters of Sunday closure were pub landlords. Many had moved from Manchester largely to get Sunday's off.
It was rank hypocrisy by many dry supporters who would have a drink at the golf club on a Sunday. "Well you get thirsty after playing golf!"
Most of the locals would know a club where you could get a drink on Sunday's so it only really affected tourists.
At one stage you had to drive to from Amlych to Rhyl to find a wet area. Then I think Aberconwy changed so Llandudno would suffice.
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Post by neilm on Sept 6, 2016 23:14:01 GMT
In Anglesey, some of the staunchest supporters of Sunday closure were pub landlords. Many had moved from Manchester largely to get Sunday's off. It was rank hypocrisy by many dry supporters who would have a drink at the golf club on a Sunday. "Well you get thirsty after playing golf!" Most of the locals would know a club where you could get a drink on Sunday's so it only really affected tourists. At one stage you had to drive to from Amlych to Rhyl to find a wet area. Then I think Aberconwy changed so Llandudno would suffice. Yeah, my dad has often told me 1960s tales of pubs in what became Mid and West Glamorgan that operated a slate on Sundays (pay up on a Monday) and has actually cited a golf club (Southerdown IIRC but I'm not sure that prohibition extended there- maybe it was full of recreational golfers from other clubs on weekly away days). |
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Post by cibwr on Sept 9, 2016 13:03:10 GMT
Here's an interesting post from 1996 I kept from Usenet. Anyone know where this chap went? cibwr ? Am here..... |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 9, 2016 13:57:48 GMT
Here's an interesting post from 1996 I kept from Usenet. Anyone know where this chap went? cibwr ? Am here..... the least mysterious and most easily solved mystery this forum will ever see, methinks. |
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Post by cibwr on Sept 9, 2016 22:49:34 GMT
the least mysterious and most easily solved mystery this forum will ever see, methinks. I didn't think it was ever a secret. |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 9, 2016 23:18:20 GMT
the least mysterious and most easily solved mystery this forum will ever see, methinks. I didn't think it was ever a secret. I don't know mate. It was just the way David gave the question and answer in the same sentence..  |
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 10, 2016 0:51:49 GMT
Most of the locals would know a club where you could get a drink on Sunday's so it only really affected tourists. Including the often Communist run Conservative clubs! |
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Post by john07 on Sept 10, 2016 1:30:01 GMT
Most of the locals would know a club where you could get a drink on Sunday's so it only really affected tourists. Including the often Communist run Conservative clubs! I was thinking of Langefni Labour Club. Moving away from Wales, my father used to be a member of Cheadle Hulme Conservative Club (they had snooker tables) and swore that there was at least one Communist Party member on the committee! |
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Post by minionofmidas on Sept 10, 2016 10:22:43 GMT
Before local government reform it was by county level authority, so county councils and county boroughs. The referendums were in November; at the end, not every district voted in each referendum 1961: Anglesey: Dry majority 10,353 (turnout 57%) Breconshire: Wet majority 1,391 (turnout 53%) Caernarvonshire: Dry majority 24,934 (turnout 61%) Cardiff: Wet majority 26.750 (turnout 34%) Cardiganshire: Dry majority 11,237 (turnout 61.84%) Carmarthenshire: Dry majority 24,934 (turnout 61%) Denbighshire: Dry majority 3,238 (turnout 54%) Flintshire: Wet majority 10,176 (turnout 50%) Glamorganshire: Wet majority 43,887 (turnout 41%) Merionethshire: Dry majority 8,979 (turnout 65.4%) Merthyr Tydfil: Wet majority 7,089 (turnout 51.83%) Monmouthshire: Wet majority 37,693 (turnout 39.83%) Montgomeryshire: Dry majority 2,541 (turnout 58%) Newport: Wet majority 11,087 (turnout 34%) Pembrokeshire: Dry majority 4,599 (turnout 46%) Radnorshire: Wet majority 1,167 (turnout 55%) Swansea: Wet majority 11,601 (turnout 45%) That's an impressively clean map of cymraegness. |
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