J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 17, 2022 11:23:10 GMT
(1) Should Kemi Badenoch be pronounced "Bad-e-noch" or "Bay-de-noch"? I have always called her "Bad-enoch" (and I have always liked the fact that there is a black MP named "Bad Enoch"), but I have noticed during the leadership election campaign that she is variously referred to by either pronunciation. During the Channel 4 debate, Krishnan Guru-Murthy even used both pronunciations more than one. (2) It suddenly occurs to me that the name "Badenoch" also occurs as part of the name of the parliamentary constituency of Inverness Et Cetera. In that context, I have also always called it "Bad-enoch" rather than "Bay-de-noch". But perhaps I am wrong there too? I have noticed that I have sometimes been incorrect about the pronunciations of other Scottish parliamentary constituencies (for example, it was only a few years ago that I realised that "Rutherglen" was like "other" and not like "truth"). There might even be a connection between the two. I think Kemi's husband is Hamish. Perhaps his surname originally came from the geographical area. Bad N Ock It needs the precise clarity of diction to provide 3 syllables. In my head I've always pronounced the place and the person as Ba De Nock.
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 17, 2022 11:26:34 GMT
Bad N Ock It needs the precise clarity of diction to provide 3 syllables. In my head I've always pronounced the place and the person as Ba De Nock. And many do. Perhaps Ba-d'N-Ock ? But I prefer Bad-N-Ock
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 17, 2022 11:30:05 GMT
In my head I've always pronounced the place and the person as Ba De Nock. And many do. Perhaps Ba-d'N-Ock ? But I prefer Bad-N-Ock Now beginning to sound like a minor German Spa town.
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Post by greatkingrat on Jul 17, 2022 18:03:15 GMT
On tonights ITV debate she pronounced it as Bay-den-och.
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Post by johnloony on Jul 17, 2022 21:36:54 GMT
On tonights ITV debate she pronounced it as Bay-den-och. That settles it then. Bay for the person, Bad for the place.
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Post by European Lefty on Jul 18, 2022 10:44:32 GMT
According to wiki it's /ˈbeɪdnɒk/
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Post by johnloony on Jul 18, 2022 11:24:19 GMT
According to wiki it's /ˈbeɪdnɒk/ At the start of the debate last night, Kemi put a schwa in the middle.
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Post by pl on Jul 24, 2022 18:12:59 GMT
So....I'm having difficulty remembering all the political splinter grouplets....
Which one was Alliance for Democracy and Freedom? Are they one of the saner splinters or are they one of the crazies?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 24, 2022 20:56:04 GMT
So....I'm having difficulty remembering all the political splinter grouplets.... Which one was Alliance for Democracy and Freedom? Are they one of the saner splinters or are they one of the crazies? The leader is Dr Teck Khong who is a good egg - has been a Conservative, UKIP and Brexit party parliamentary candidate. the party chairman is Mike Hookem - don't recognise many of the other names. I'd say they're one of the 'saner' ones based on the personnel alone (except in the sense that is isn't very sane to engage in the proliferation of splinter groups at all)
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Post by froome on Jul 25, 2022 6:41:58 GMT
I would be suspicious of any party which started its name as Alliance. It could mean one of two things:
a) If a genuine alliance, it would be a coming together of a number of smaller groups who may have disparate views but generally have one aim. Which suggests it will need to establish early electoral success before internal tensions pull it apart.
b) But much more likely (I would assume almost certainly) it means it wants to be seen as a BIG thing, by suggesting wide ranging support, when it is really another micro party, and with a misleading title should be avoided like the plague.
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Post by batman on Jul 25, 2022 7:48:20 GMT
the Alliance for Workers' Liberty (AWL), although it hasn't always been called that, did start because of a merger between a Trotskyist group and a near-Trotskyist group. They don't stand candidates against Labour although they have been proscribed by the Labour Party.
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 25, 2022 8:06:26 GMT
the Alliance for Workers' Liberty (AWL), although it hasn't always been called that, did start because of a merger between a Trotskyist group and a near-Trotskyist group. They don't stand candidates against Labour although they have been proscribed by the Labour Party. They stood against Harriet Harman in 2010, but then de-registered so they could claim they weren't a separate party. As you say they have been proscribed again.
Previously Socialist Organiser (Alliance) and several other names.
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 25, 2022 9:21:02 GMT
There were a few Socialist Organiser people in my university Labour party in the 1980s. I think they got proscribed (the first time) not long after Militant were.
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Post by mick745 on Jul 25, 2022 19:44:17 GMT
Has smoking ever been allowed in the House of Commons chamber?
If so, when was it banned?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 25, 2022 19:56:43 GMT
I'm wondering: in the old days, decades ago, when many more people smoked a lot of the time as if it were "normal", did MPs smoke in the House of Commons? Did they have ashtrays? No, it was banned around 1690 but they have been provided with snuff ever since. EDIT: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_snuff_box
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Post by neilm on Jul 25, 2022 21:05:41 GMT
the Alliance for Workers' Liberty (AWL), although it hasn't always been called that, did start because of a merger between a Trotskyist group and a near-Trotskyist group. They don't stand candidates against Labour although they have been proscribed by the Labour Party. Aah yes. Neither an alliance, nor made up of or interested in workers and not keen on liberty.
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 25, 2022 21:10:42 GMT
the Alliance for Workers' Liberty (AWL), although it hasn't always been called that, did start because of a merger between a Trotskyist group and a near-Trotskyist group. They don't stand candidates against Labour although they have been proscribed by the Labour Party. Aah yes. Neither an alliance, nor made up of or interested in workers and not keen on liberty. Their most distinctive feature is that they are much more pro-Zionist than most other left wing groups, and also take a much more strongly anti-Russian line. They have supported Ukraine quite uncritically.
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 25, 2022 21:18:10 GMT
Aah yes. Neither an alliance, nor made up of or interested in workers and not keen on liberty. Their most distinctive feature is that they are much more pro-Zionist than most other left wing groups, and also take a much more strongly anti-Russian line. They have supported Ukraine quite uncritically. And also pro nuclear.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jul 25, 2022 21:19:11 GMT
the Alliance for Workers' Liberty (AWL), although it hasn't always been called that, did start because of a merger between a Trotskyist group and a near-Trotskyist group. They don't stand candidates against Labour although they have been proscribed by the Labour Party. Hang on, two bunches of Trots actually merged? I thought Trot factions were like atoms i.e. it's fairly easy to get them to split (usually involving an explosion) but fusion was impractical due to the huge amount of energy it took.
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Post by mick745 on Jul 27, 2022 12:23:50 GMT
I am looking for the geographical size of parliamentary boundaries historically, ideally from since WWII. Can anyone recommend a source?
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