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Post by YL on Jun 18, 2021 15:47:18 GMT
Before that law was passed the fake pro Anglo-Irish Agreement candidate "Peter Barry" stood in four different by-elections on the same day in January 1986.
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Post by John Chanin on Jun 18, 2021 16:16:06 GMT
I seem to remember when I was young it used to be quite common for independents to stand in multiple seats. I can’t see what’s wrong with it to be honest. Of course in India it is standard practice for bigwigs to stand in multiple seats, partly to garner votes, and partly to ensure they get elected from somewhere. Not sure what happens if they get elected in more than 1 place (like Modi in Varanasi and Gujerat). Do they get to nominate a substitute, or does there have to be a by-election. ibfc
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Post by islington on Jun 18, 2021 16:23:58 GMT
I seem to remember when I was young it used to be quite common for independents to stand in multiple seats. I can’t see what’s wrong with it to be honest. Of course in India it is standard practice for bigwigs to stand in multiple seats, partly to garner votes, and partly to ensure they get elected from somewhere. Not sure what happens if they get elected in more than 1 place (like Modi in Varanasi and Gujerat). Do they get to nominate a substitute, or does there have to be a by-election. ibfc I don't know about India but in former times in the UK this practice wasn't unknown. Gladstone certainly did it, and I think also some of the Sinn Fein leaders in 1918.
A candidate elected for two or more constituencies chose the one for which he would sit (it was always 'he' in those days) and a byelection was held in the other seat(s).
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Post by islington on Jun 18, 2021 16:25:55 GMT
Electoral Administration Act 2006 22 Candidate not to stand in more than one constituency In Schedule 1 to the 1983 Act (parliamentary elections rules), in rule 8(3) (candidate's consent to nomination), after paragraph (b) insert— “(c)shall state that he is not a candidate at an election for any other constituency the poll for which is to be held on the same day as that for the election to which the consent relates,”. So I think you could stand in two by-elections on different days, even if the nominations for the second one close before the first polling day, but not in two by-elections on the same day. So does that mean that if there are two byelections a week apart, and I happen to be lawfully registered to vote in both seats, I can legally vote at both byelections?
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Post by minionofmidas on Jun 18, 2021 16:26:27 GMT
I seem to remember when I was young it used to be quite common for independents to stand in multiple seats. I can’t see what’s wrong with it to be honest. Of course in India it is standard practice for bigwigs to stand in multiple seats, partly to garner votes, and partly to ensure they get elected from somewhere. Not sure what happens if they get elected in more than 1 place (like Modi in Varanasi and Gujerat). Do they get to nominate a substitute, or does there have to be a by-election. ibfc by-election. I don't suppose anything came of the idea of making you pay the gov't's costs for the by-election if you do that, but it was being mooted during the Vajpayee government.
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Post by hullenedge on Jun 18, 2021 16:28:10 GMT
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Post by ibfc on Jun 18, 2021 16:33:16 GMT
I seem to remember when I was young it used to be quite common for independents to stand in multiple seats. I can’t see what’s wrong with it to be honest. Of course in India it is standard practice for bigwigs to stand in multiple seats, partly to garner votes, and partly to ensure they get elected from somewhere. Not sure what happens if they get elected in more than 1 place (like Modi in Varanasi and Gujerat). Do they get to nominate a substitute, or does there have to be a by-election. ibfc There will be a by-election. In Modi’s case, he vacated the Vadodara seat in Gujarat and Ranjanben Bhatt held the seat for the BJP in the by-election.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jun 18, 2021 16:36:31 GMT
I think it's the case that you're not allowed to run in more than one constituency at a general election, but is there a similar rule for by-elections? Are you allowed to run in simultaneous by-elections? What if they are being held on different days, but the official campaign periods overlap? And if so what happens if you're elected in one by-election but still a candidate in a different one? One does not run for election in this county. One stands for election. Horrible Americanizm with all the negative connotations is brings.
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Post by ibfc on Jun 18, 2021 16:43:04 GMT
I seem to remember when I was young it used to be quite common for independents to stand in multiple seats. I can’t see what’s wrong with it to be honest. Of course in India it is standard practice for bigwigs to stand in multiple seats, partly to garner votes, and partly to ensure they get elected from somewhere. Not sure what happens if they get elected in more than 1 place (like Modi in Varanasi and Gujerat). Do they get to nominate a substitute, or does there have to be a by-election. ibfc by-election. I don't suppose anything came of the idea of making you pay the gov't's costs for the by-election if you do that, but it was being mooted during the Vajpayee government. Nothing has happened as the system is utilised by all parties. Rahul Gandhi stood in two seats in 2019, for instance and the former Karnataka Chief Minister, Siddaramiah also stood in two seats in the 2018 assembly election. The BJP deputed its tribal leader Sriramulu to oppose Siddaramiah in his second seat of Badami while permitting him to contest from Molakalmuru also. Siddaramiah ended up winning in Badami while losing his first seat of Chamundeshwari and Sriramulu managed to retain Molakalmuru. Incidentally, Sriramulu himself came to political prominence in 1999 by helping Sushama Swaraj to contest in Bellary when Sonia Gandhi decided to fight from Bellary as a second seat. That would prove fateful as Sriramulu and his friends, the notorious Reddy brothers would convert the INC fortress of Bellary into a BJP stronghold. Sonia remains the last INC candidate to win Bellary in a general election (the INC has won by-polls).
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Post by michael2019 on Jun 18, 2021 16:43:45 GMT
I think it's the case that you're not allowed to run in more than one constituency at a general election, but is there a similar rule for by-elections? Are you allowed to run in simultaneous by-elections? What if they are being held on different days, but the official campaign periods overlap? And if so what happens if you're elected in one by-election but still a candidate in a different one? One does not run for election in this county. One stands for election. Horrible Americanizm with all the negative connotations is brings. Well I appreciate the point - but also standing may be brings out some of what is wrong with being British - one offers one's services - and if chosen is honoured to serve - the masses should know who is best for them! Perish the thought that one should do anything as vulgar or "active" as trying to prove that one's the best choice or actually offer some ideas as to how one might actually improve the country and people's lives... !
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Post by michael2019 on Jun 18, 2021 16:59:04 GMT
Electoral Administration Act 2006 22 Candidate not to stand in more than one constituency In Schedule 1 to the 1983 Act (parliamentary elections rules), in rule 8(3) (candidate's consent to nomination), after paragraph (b) insert— “(c)shall state that he is not a candidate at an election for any other constituency the poll for which is to be held on the same day as that for the election to which the consent relates,”. So I think you could stand in two by-elections on different days, even if the nominations for the second one close before the first polling day, but not in two by-elections on the same day. So does that mean that if there are two byelections a week apart, and I happen to be lawfully registered to vote in both seats, I can legally vote at both byelections? Yes - or I am pretty sure it is! Certainly can't think of anything that would forbid it! I think the rule is that you can't vote twice in the same election - essentially for the same body/authority so if registered at two different address so you can I believe vote twice on a day of local elections if they are for different local authorities etc. Has anyone pinned down what happens if you stand for two by-elections say a week apart and you get elected for the first by-election and then what happens if you win the second election - can you be an MP for two seats? Do you get declared the winner for the second and then disqualified? An occurrence rarer than hen's teeth but it seems could at least be a possibility... ?
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Post by ilerda on Jun 18, 2021 17:16:42 GMT
Interesting. So it seems you can be *a candidate* (is this alright J.G.Harston ?) in multiple by-elections provided they aren’t held on the same day. My reason for asking is looking at the candidate list for Batley & Spen and seeing that there are a significantly greater number of minor candidates there then in Chesham & Amersham. It would seem like a good OMRLP trick to have stood the same candidate in both, for example.
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Post by cj on Jun 18, 2021 17:17:10 GMT
I think it's the case that you're not allowed to run in more than one constituency at a general election, but is there a similar rule for by-elections? Are you allowed to run in simultaneous by-elections? What if they are being held on different days, but the official campaign periods overlap? And if so what happens if you're elected in one by-election but still a candidate in a different one? One does not run for election in this county. One stands for election. Horrible Americanizm with all the negative connotations is brings. All candidate stand; but unless its a safe seat or you're a paper candidate you had better run too
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Post by minionofmidas on Jun 18, 2021 17:21:01 GMT
by-election. I don't suppose anything came of the idea of making you pay the gov't's costs for the by-election if you do that, but it was being mooted during the Vajpayee government. Nothing has happened as the system is utilised by all parties. Rahul Gandhi stood in two seats in 2019, for instance and the former Karnataka Chief Minister, Siddaramiah also stood in two seats in the 2018 assembly election. The BJP deputed its tribal leader Sriramulu to oppose Siddaramiah in his second seat of Badami while permitting him to contest from Molakalmuru also. Siddaramiah ended up winning in Badami while losing his first seat of Chamundeshwari and Sriramulu managed to retain Molakalmuru. Incidentally, Sriramulu himself came to political prominence in 1999 by helping Sushama Swaraj to contest in Bellary when Sonia Gandhi decided to fight from Bellary as a second seat. That would prove fateful as Sriramulu and his friends, the notorious Reddy brothers would convert the INC fortress of Bellary into a BJP stronghold. Sonia remains the last INC candidate to win Bellary in a general election (the INC has won by-polls). yes, that's what I thought. It was a fairly harebrained proposal. Allow double standing or ban it.
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Post by michael2019 on Jun 18, 2021 18:13:12 GMT
by-election. I don't suppose anything came of the idea of making you pay the gov't's costs for the by-election if you do that, but it was being mooted during the Vajpayee government. Nothing has happened as the system is utilised by all parties. Rahul Gandhi stood in two seats in 2019, for instance and the former Karnataka Chief Minister, Siddaramiah also stood in two seats in the 2018 assembly election. The BJP deputed its tribal leader Sriramulu to oppose Siddaramiah in his second seat of Badami while permitting him to contest from Molakalmuru also. Siddaramiah ended up winning in Badami while losing his first seat of Chamundeshwari and Sriramulu managed to retain Molakalmuru. Incidentally, Sriramulu himself came to political prominence in 1999 by helping Sushama Swaraj to contest in Bellary when Sonia Gandhi decided to fight from Bellary as a second seat. That would prove fateful as Sriramulu and his friends, the notorious Reddy brothers would convert the INC fortress of Bellary into a BJP stronghold. Sonia remains the last INC candidate to win Bellary in a general election (the INC has won by-polls). um... I think I follow that ! Confused you won't be after this episode of Soap...
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Post by John Chanin on Jun 18, 2021 18:37:46 GMT
Nothing has happened as the system is utilised by all parties. Rahul Gandhi stood in two seats in 2019, for instance and the former Karnataka Chief Minister, Siddaramiah also stood in two seats in the 2018 assembly election. The BJP deputed its tribal leader Sriramulu to oppose Siddaramiah in his second seat of Badami while permitting him to contest from Molakalmuru also. Siddaramiah ended up winning in Badami while losing his first seat of Chamundeshwari and Sriramulu managed to retain Molakalmuru. Incidentally, Sriramulu himself came to political prominence in 1999 by helping Sushama Swaraj to contest in Bellary when Sonia Gandhi decided to fight from Bellary as a second seat. That would prove fateful as Sriramulu and his friends, the notorious Reddy brothers would convert the INC fortress of Bellary into a BJP stronghold. Sonia remains the last INC candidate to win Bellary in a general election (the INC has won by-polls). Rahul stood in the traditional family fiefdom in UP (Amethi?) and also about as far away as you can get while still being in India, down in Kerala. The Indian Congress having fallen on hard times, Kerala was the only place except for seriously remote places like Lakshadweep where they had a safe seat. I have actually been to Badami - not a place that many tourists get to, but has some interesting historical relics.
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Post by minionofmidas on Jun 18, 2021 18:53:37 GMT
Nothing has happened as the system is utilised by all parties. Rahul Gandhi stood in two seats in 2019, for instance and the former Karnataka Chief Minister, Siddaramiah also stood in two seats in the 2018 assembly election. The BJP deputed its tribal leader Sriramulu to oppose Siddaramiah in his second seat of Badami while permitting him to contest from Molakalmuru also. Siddaramiah ended up winning in Badami while losing his first seat of Chamundeshwari and Sriramulu managed to retain Molakalmuru. Incidentally, Sriramulu himself came to political prominence in 1999 by helping Sushama Swaraj to contest in Bellary when Sonia Gandhi decided to fight from Bellary as a second seat. That would prove fateful as Sriramulu and his friends, the notorious Reddy brothers would convert the INC fortress of Bellary into a BJP stronghold. Sonia remains the last INC candidate to win Bellary in a general election (the INC has won by-polls). Rahul stood in the traditional family fiefdom in UP (Amethi?) and also about as far away as you can get while still being in India, down in Kerala. The Indian Congress having fallen on hard times, Kerala was the only place except for seriously remote places like Lakshadweep where they had a safe seat. I have actually been to Badami - not a place that many tourists get to, but has some interesting historical relics. Stunningly beautiful, too. Well worth the stopover on the way from Bengaluru to Bijapur. Though I also remember its main road as the place I saw a car hit a piglet and the mother helplessly standing by it (it was not dead), quite blocking the lane.
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Post by ibfc on Jun 19, 2021 6:08:35 GMT
Nothing has happened as the system is utilised by all parties. Rahul Gandhi stood in two seats in 2019, for instance and the former Karnataka Chief Minister, Siddaramiah also stood in two seats in the 2018 assembly election. The BJP deputed its tribal leader Sriramulu to oppose Siddaramiah in his second seat of Badami while permitting him to contest from Molakalmuru also. Siddaramiah ended up winning in Badami while losing his first seat of Chamundeshwari and Sriramulu managed to retain Molakalmuru. Incidentally, Sriramulu himself came to political prominence in 1999 by helping Sushama Swaraj to contest in Bellary when Sonia Gandhi decided to fight from Bellary as a second seat. That would prove fateful as Sriramulu and his friends, the notorious Reddy brothers would convert the INC fortress of Bellary into a BJP stronghold. Sonia remains the last INC candidate to win Bellary in a general election (the INC has won by-polls). Rahul stood in the traditional family fiefdom in UP (Amethi?) and also about as far away as you can get while still being in India, down in Kerala. The Indian Congress having fallen on hard times, Kerala was the only place except for seriously remote places like Lakshadweep where they had a safe seat. I have actually been to Badami - not a place that many tourists get to, but has some interesting historical relics. That ended up being a smart move for him as he lost in Amethi. But the choice of seat turned out to be counterproductive as Wayanad is a Muslim plurality seat and it was clear he was relying on Muslim League votes to win. Images of Rahul’s rallies with more green flags than the traditional tricolour of the INC turned into a very effective campaign plank for the BJP everywhere except in Kerala and Tamil Nadu. He could’ve stood in equally safe and Christian plurality Earnakulam (which is also the largest city in Kerala) and held his seat while not losing ground elsewhere. I have also been to Badami but for working on Sriramulu’s campaign. One of the few people i know who’ve gone to the town but not visited the temples. Hopefully will be able to rectify that later this year.
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Post by minionofmidas on Jun 19, 2021 6:20:57 GMT
Rahul stood in the traditional family fiefdom in UP (Amethi?) and also about as far away as you can get while still being in India, down in Kerala. The Indian Congress having fallen on hard times, Kerala was the only place except for seriously remote places like Lakshadweep where they had a safe seat. I have actually been to Badami - not a place that many tourists get to, but has some interesting historical relics. That ended up being a smart move for him as he lost in Amethi. But the choice of seat turned out to be counterproductive as Wayanad is a Muslim plurality seat and it was clear he was relying on Muslim League votes to win. Images of Rahul’s rallies with more green flags than the traditional tricolour of the INC turned into a very effective campaign plank for the BJP everywhere except in Kerala and Tamil Nadu. He could’ve stood in equally safe and Christian plurality Earnakulam (which is also the largest city in Kerala) and held his seat while not losing ground elsewhere. I have also been to Badami but for working on Sriramulu’s campaign. One of the few people i know who’ve gone to the town but not visited the temples. Hopefully will be able to rectify that later this year. Do. Clearly neglecting to visit the temples brought bad luck on the campaign.
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Post by ibfc on Jun 19, 2021 6:59:40 GMT
That ended up being a smart move for him as he lost in Amethi. But the choice of seat turned out to be counterproductive as Wayanad is a Muslim plurality seat and it was clear he was relying on Muslim League votes to win. Images of Rahul’s rallies with more green flags than the traditional tricolour of the INC turned into a very effective campaign plank for the BJP everywhere except in Kerala and Tamil Nadu. He could’ve stood in equally safe and Christian plurality Earnakulam (which is also the largest city in Kerala) and held his seat while not losing ground elsewhere. I have also been to Badami but for working on Sriramulu’s campaign. One of the few people i know who’ve gone to the town but not visited the temples. Hopefully will be able to rectify that later this year. Do. Clearly neglecting to visit the temples brought bad luck on the campaign. Haha, the result was much better than what we had hoped for. Siddaramiah had paid the JD(S) to put up a Lingayat candidate to split the BJP’s traditional Lingayat base as Sriramulu is a tribal. He ended up losing by 1500 odd even though the JD(S) Lingayat candidate polled around 20k votes. But would’ve been some story if Siddaramiah had lost from both his seats as a sitting CM.
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