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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 11, 2016 22:51:28 GMT
Labour must have won it on Conservative transfers, which is something I imagine the SNP might comment on.
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Post by Old Fashioned Leftie on Aug 11, 2016 22:52:37 GMT
Confirmed on the North Ayrshire Council Website
Bobby Cochrane - Socialist Labour Party 131
Josh McCormick - Scottish Green Party 94
Louise McPhater - Scottish Labour Party 1,029 Elected Stage 6
Nick Smith - Scottish Liberal Democrats 48
Angela Stephen - Scottish Conservative and Unionist 639
Robin Sturgeon - Scottish National Party (SNP)1,164
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Post by maxque on Aug 11, 2016 22:54:01 GMT
Renfrew South & Gallowhill (Renfrewshire) first preferences: SNP: 47.8% (+6.9) LAB: 36.9% (-8.5) CON: 13.4% (+9.1) LDEM: 1.9% (+0.1) In votes SNP 1309 Lab 1012 Con 366 LD 53 |
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Post by Old Fashioned Leftie on Aug 11, 2016 23:15:32 GMT
Conservative hold Ombersley
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Post by maxque on Aug 11, 2016 23:46:19 GMT
Ombersley, Worcesteshire
Con 956 (63.2%; +15.2)
LD 224 (14.8%; +9.6)
UKIP 212 (14.0%; -19.2)
Ind 120 (7.9%)
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Aug 12, 2016 0:12:15 GMT
Labour must have won it on Conservative transfers, which is something I imagine the SNP might comment on. Tactical unionist vote rearing its head? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 12, 2016 0:24:47 GMT
Labour must have won it on Conservative transfers, which is something I imagine the SNP might comment on. Tactical unionist vote rearing its head? It's not a tactical vote if it uses preferences under STV. |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Aug 12, 2016 0:34:40 GMT
Tactical unionist vote rearing its head? It's not a tactical vote if it uses preferences under STV. Pretty sure tactical preferencing is a thing; supporters of A give 2nd preferences to C to stop B winning, and all that. |
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Post by iain on Aug 12, 2016 0:55:41 GMT
It's not a tactical vote if it uses preferences under STV. Pretty sure tactical preferencing is a thing; supporters of A give 2nd preferences to C to stop B winning, and all that. But that's not 'tactical preferencing'. It's just preferencing. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Aug 12, 2016 1:05:52 GMT
Con HOLD Ombersley (Worcestershire)
Ombersley (Worcestershire) result:
CON: 63.2% (+15.3)
LDEM: 14.8% (+9.7)
UKIP: 14.0% (-19.2)
IND: 7.9% (+7.9)
Lab and Grn didn't stand.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 12, 2016 7:41:43 GMT
Unbelievable result in Irvine West  A much overused word on here but that is genuinely hilarious |
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Post by Crimson King on Aug 12, 2016 7:56:40 GMT
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Post by timmullen1 on Aug 12, 2016 8:03:11 GMT
Ombersley figures:
Peter Tomlinson (Con) 956
Peter Evans (LD)224
Richard Keel (UKIP) 212
Doug Ingram (Ind) 120
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Post by timrollpickering on Aug 12, 2016 10:25:12 GMT
It's not a tactical vote if it uses preferences under STV. Pretty sure tactical preferencing is a thing; supporters of A give 2nd preferences to C to stop B winning, and all that. No, tactical voting under STV/AV would mean supporters of A giving first preferences to C - the rationale being the voter believes that C has a better chance of beating B in the last two than A and so tries to engineer the better line-up. (They don't have to have thought it through completely; they may just vote in line with a particular campaign line.) However here given past results it looks a straightforward case of the third placed party's voters preferring Labour to the SNP. Anyone got the full transfer sheet and the ballot paper order for 2012? It would be interesting to see if the Socialist Labour candidate got first preferences simply by being higher up the ballot than the Labour candidate. |
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Post by edinburghtory on Aug 12, 2016 10:37:43 GMT
www.politicshome.com/news/uk/politics/news/78077/nicola-sturgeons-father-loses-out-labour-council-electionMr Sturgeon claimed a Tory-Labour alliance had cost him the seat, which was contested under the Single Transferable Vote system. “We won on the first preferences so I think it's the Labour-Tory alliance, the unionist alliance, against the SNP that's done it,” he said. "We were getting very good returns on the door and I think it bears it out by us winning the first preferences. I think the transfer of votes between the unionist parties has beaten us.”
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 12, 2016 10:43:55 GMT
The above summarised - "wahwahwah"  |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 12, 2016 10:45:06 GMT
www.politicshome.com/news/uk/politics/news/78077/nicola-sturgeons-father-loses-out-labour-council-electionMr Sturgeon claimed a Tory-Labour alliance had cost him the seat, which was contested under the Single Transferable Vote system. “We won on the first preferences so I think it's the Labour-Tory alliance, the unionist alliance, against the SNP that's done it,” he said. "We were getting very good returns on the door and I think it bears it out by us winning the first preferences. I think the transfer of votes between the unionist parties has beaten us.” Thought that's what they would say. Of course the way you "win on first preferences" under STV means getting more than 50% of them, not getting a plurality, but the SNP thinks its supporters are ignorant of that. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 10:48:03 GMT
www.politicshome.com/news/uk/politics/news/78077/nicola-sturgeons-father-loses-out-labour-council-electionMr Sturgeon claimed a Tory-Labour alliance had cost him the seat, which was contested under the Single Transferable Vote system. “We won on the first preferences so I think it's the Labour-Tory alliance, the unionist alliance, against the SNP that's done it,” he said. "We were getting very good returns on the door and I think it bears it out by us winning the first preferences. I think the transfer of votes between the unionist parties has beaten us.” Thought that's what they would say. Of course the way you "win on first preferences" under STV means getting more than 50% of them, not getting a plurality, but the SNP thinks its supporters are ignorant of that. It isn't an unreasonable thing to say; but it's just pointless. The SNP need to figure out a way around anti-nat voting. I'm not sure there is one, unless they can get people properly interested in Council elections (and I doubt that would be in their interest just now). |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 10:50:25 GMT
www.politicshome.com/news/uk/politics/news/78077/nicola-sturgeons-father-loses-out-labour-council-electionMr Sturgeon claimed a Tory-Labour alliance had cost him the seat, which was contested under the Single Transferable Vote system. “We won on the first preferences so I think it's the Labour-Tory alliance, the unionist alliance, against the SNP that's done it,” he said. "We were getting very good returns on the door and I think it bears it out by us winning the first preferences. I think the transfer of votes between the unionist parties has beaten us.” Thought that's what they would say. Of course the way you "win on first preferences" under STV means getting more than 50% of them, not getting a plurality, but the SNP thinks its supporters are ignorant of that. ...although there is an argument that STV in by-elections distorts the system. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 12, 2016 11:13:42 GMT
Thought that's what they would say. Of course the way you "win on first preferences" under STV means getting more than 50% of them, not getting a plurality, but the SNP thinks its supporters are ignorant of that. It isn't an unreasonable thing to say; but it's just pointless. The SNP need to figure out a way around anti-nat voting. I'm not sure there is one, unless they can get people properly interested in Council elections (and I doubt that would be in their interest just now). I've just seen the transfers - on the crucial stage, the Tory was on 658, while the SNP had 1,226 and Labour had 1,118. When the Tory was eliminated, 183 votes came to Labour and 51 to the SNP. So this "Tory-Labour alliance" was endorsed by just 27.8% of the Tory voters. |
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