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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 1:16:09 GMT
Quebec would be independent. French speaking Canada would have been much bigger. It was the exiled American loyalists that colonized Ontario, which later led to the surplus population from Quebec primarily migrating to New England (and over time becoming anglophones). If all of North America had stayed British the francophones had moved westwards instead.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Aug 12, 2016 19:01:35 GMT
That is of course assuming there is a French revolution. Probably would've been? One of the chronic causes for the French revolution was the financial malaise that resulted from the French participation in the American Revolutionary War. I don't know exactly how critical French involvement was to the outcome of the conflict, but had they never participated I'd imagine that the Loyalists would've won, and that France's money woes would've been lessened, thus either preventing or delaying the revolution. It was absolutely vital. The decisive battle was Yorktown, at which the British forces were holed up in their winter quarters and obliged to surrender. That in turn was a result of the inability of the Royal Navy to re-supply Yorktown following the defeat of the Royal Navy by the French navy at the Battle of Chesapeake Bay. The intervention of the French, Spanish and Dutch (essentially the leading naval powers in the world outside of Britain) meant that for the only time in the 18th and 19th centuries the Royal Navy lost control of the Atlantic Ocean, without which defeat in America was inevitable. The USA entirely owes its independence to French military aid - hence "Lafayette, we are here" as the US slogan on entering WW1. But don't try telling the Americans that. There were I believe attempts to broker some sort of compromise and I think an attempt to offer the 13 colonies Parliamentary representation, which was made too late to be useful. I think the most plausible scenario for the USA not seceding is not so much a military defeat, which I think was beyond British resources, but of a compromise Parliamentary deal, with France avoiding the cost of the war and Louis XVI managing some sort of reform. You then have something approaching constitutional monarchy in both Britain+America and France and no revolutions.
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Post by greenchristian on Aug 13, 2016 21:44:56 GMT
This would have been unnecessary. It dates from a few months ago: A previous, nearly identical, version was circulating in November 2000, and that was probably the original.
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