Foggy
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Post by Foggy on Feb 12, 2021 6:41:43 GMT
At least someone gets it. Yeah, the Wirral is the true north West, but we knew that anyway... 😜 It says the Wirral's in the Westcountry, not the North West. Portsmouth, meanwhile, doesn't appear to have been put in any region whatsoever.
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Post by greenchristian on Feb 12, 2021 14:22:07 GMT
Yeah, the Wirral is the true north West, but we knew that anyway... 😜 It says the Wirral's in the Westcountry, not the North West. Portsmouth, meanwhile, doesn't appear to have been put in any region whatsoever. Looking at the map more closely it appears to be part of France.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Feb 12, 2021 15:21:06 GMT
The Heptarchy strikes back.
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Post by minionofmidas on Feb 12, 2021 16:24:44 GMT
It says the Wirral's in the Westcountry, not the North West. Portsmouth, meanwhile, doesn't appear to have been put in any region whatsoever. Looking at the map more closely it appears to be part of France. Pompei was in Italy the last time I visited it.
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Feb 12, 2021 17:43:25 GMT
Yeah, the Wirral is the true north West, but we knew that anyway... 😜 It says the Wirral's in the Westcountry, not the North West. Portsmouth, meanwhile, doesn't appear to have been put in any region whatsoever. I didn't say the North West, I said the north West...
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Post by andrewteale on Feb 12, 2021 22:09:38 GMT
Portsmouth 2019. Changes based on 2015: Lab gain from C St Jude LD gain from C Nelson St Thomas Split wards are (not taking account of by-elections or defections): Central Southsea is 2LD/1Lab and the Liberal Democrats are defending in May. Eastney and Craneswater is 2C/1LD and the Liberal Democrats are defending in May. Fratton is 2LD/1Lab and the Liberal Democrats are defending in May. Paulsgrove is 2C/1Lab and Labour are defending in May. St Jude is 2Lab/1LD and the Liberal Democrats are defending in May.
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johnloony
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Post by johnloony on Feb 13, 2021 12:28:14 GMT
Portsmouth 2019. Changes based on 2015: Lab gain from C St Jude LD gain from C Nelson St Thomas Is that one of those silly maps that includes large areas of sea in the wards, as if it can't tell the difference between sea and land?
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Feb 13, 2021 14:57:57 GMT
Portsmouth 2019. Changes based on 2015: Lab gain from C St Jude LD gain from C Nelson St Thomas Is that one of those silly maps that includes large areas of sea in the wards, as if it can't tell the difference between sea and land? Yes. All the wards other than Central Southsea, St Jude (though it does contain two sea-forts but non of the sea round them) and Fratton cover parts of The Solent, Portsmouth Harbour (all of it's in Portsmouth up to the high water mark), Langstone Harbour or Portcreek or a combination of more than one of those.
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Post by andrewteale on Feb 14, 2021 15:21:15 GMT
South Oxfordshire 2019. LD 12 (+11) C 10 (-23) Grn 5 (+5) Ind 3 (+3) Lab 3 (+2) Henley Residents Group 3 (+2). Changes based on 2015: Grn gain from C Benson and Crowmarsh (1) Berinsfield Sandford and the Wittenhams Wallingford (1) Woodcote and Rotherfield (1) Henley Residents Group gain from C Henley-on-Thames (2) Ind gain from C Didcot North East (1) Kidmore End and Whitchurch Sonning Common (1) Lab gain from C Didcot South (2) LD gain from C Benson and Crowmarsh (1) Cholsey (1) Didcot North East (2) Forest Hill and Holton Goring Thame (3) Wallingford (1) Wheatley Split wards in 2019 were: Benson and Crowmarsh: LD/Grn Cholsey: C/LD Didcot North East: 1Ind/2LD Sonning Common: Ind/C Wallingford: Grn/LD Woodcote and Rotherfield: C/Grn
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ilerda
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Post by ilerda on Feb 18, 2021 13:59:17 GMT
Why can't we have this much data for UK elections? Down to groups of two or three streets it's possible to get percentages of vote for each party for the most recent Catalan parliamentary election.
Obviously there's an argument about privacy etc, and in an FPTP system is a gerrymanderer's dream, but from a psephological point of view it's absolutely fascinating.
Edit: if you follow the link and scroll down you'll see an interactive map for each main party. You don't need to speak Catalan to understand the colours.
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Post by hullenedge on Feb 18, 2021 14:46:12 GMT
Why can't we have this much data for UK elections? Down to groups of two or three streets it's possible to get percentages of vote for each party for the most recent Catalan parliamentary election. Obviously there's an argument about privacy etc, and in an FPTP system is a gerrymanderer's dream, but from a psephological point of view it's absolutely fascinating. Edit: if you follow the link and scroll down you'll see an interactive map for each main party. You don't need to speak Catalan to understand the colours. Interesting but horrific. The sanctity of the ballot must come first.
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ilerda
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Post by ilerda on Feb 18, 2021 14:59:10 GMT
Why can't we have this much data for UK elections? Down to groups of two or three streets it's possible to get percentages of vote for each party for the most recent Catalan parliamentary election. Obviously there's an argument about privacy etc, and in an FPTP system is a gerrymanderer's dream, but from a psephological point of view it's absolutely fascinating. Edit: if you follow the link and scroll down you'll see an interactive map for each main party. You don't need to speak Catalan to understand the colours. Interesting but horrific. The sanctity of the ballot must come first. I completely agree about sanctity of the ballot. I just find it incredible they can do this and we won't even do official results by electoral ward. We could always include the census protection of merging areas where the numbers are so small as to make data protection impossible. Particularly where just a few electors are in one constituency due to ward boundary changes.
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Post by hullenedge on Feb 18, 2021 15:21:35 GMT
Interesting but horrific. The sanctity of the ballot must come first. I completely agree about sanctity of the ballot. I just find it incredible they can do this and we won't even do official results by electoral ward. We could always include the census protection of merging areas where the numbers are so small as to make data protection impossible. Particularly where just a few electors are in one constituency due to ward boundary changes. I can't see any government passing legislation that divulges results at a micro-level. It's been requested and always declined.
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Post by bjornhattan on Feb 18, 2021 15:22:26 GMT
Why can't we have this much data for UK elections? Down to groups of two or three streets it's possible to get percentages of vote for each party for the most recent Catalan parliamentary election. Obviously there's an argument about privacy etc, and in an FPTP system is a gerrymanderer's dream, but from a psephological point of view it's absolutely fascinating. Edit: if you follow the link and scroll down you'll see an interactive map for each main party. You don't need to speak Catalan to understand the colours. Of course, there are countries which have both FPTP and a similar level of detail - Canada for one. Click on any of their ridings on this map and you can see results down to a very low level, down to a few streets in urban areas. The gerrymandering aspect doesn't seem to have been a huge issue over there, and I'd argue it'd actually prevent gerrymandering since it would make it much more transparent. At the moment, I'd expect the big parties to have a pretty good idea of how even quite small local areas vote, and so they can still bear this in mind when coming up with boundary plans (that do get sent to, and influence, the bodies designing them). But because the actual data isn't released, the public can't always tell when this is happening - if a gerrymander is particularly neat, it's possible no-one would notice.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 18, 2021 15:25:38 GMT
I completely agree about sanctity of the ballot. I just find it incredible they can do this and we won't even do official results by electoral ward. We could always include the census protection of merging areas where the numbers are so small as to make data protection impossible. Particularly where just a few electors are in one constituency due to ward boundary changes. I can't see any government passing legislation that divulges results at a micro-level. It's been requested and always declined. I think there may be a case for it in terms of detection of fraud. Posting the local results outside the polling station was one of the conditions which the African Union imposed on Zimbabwe during the bad years of Mugabe fixing the results, and it stopped a lot of the maplractice.
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ilerda
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Post by ilerda on Feb 18, 2021 15:29:19 GMT
I completely agree about sanctity of the ballot. I just find it incredible they can do this and we won't even do official results by electoral ward. We could always include the census protection of merging areas where the numbers are so small as to make data protection impossible. Particularly where just a few electors are in one constituency due to ward boundary changes. I can't see any government passing legislation that divulges results at a micro-level. It's been requested and always declined. I wouldn’t call wards micro-level personally. The vast majority have at least two or three thousand voters in them, and lots have many thousands more than that. The ONS is after all allowed to publish far more personal data about population on a smaller level. As a genuine question, is it explicitly against the law to publish results below constituency level? Or just something that isn’t done?
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Post by hullenedge on Feb 18, 2021 15:31:49 GMT
I can't see any government passing legislation that divulges results at a micro-level. It's been requested and always declined. I think there may be a case for it in terms of detection of fraud. Posting the local results outside the polling station was one of the conditions which the African Union imposed on Zimbabwe during the bad years of Mugabe fixing the results, and it stopped a lot of the maplractice. Extremely unlikely to happen here. Our staff are squeaky clean.
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Post by hullenedge on Feb 18, 2021 15:35:52 GMT
I can't see any government passing legislation that divulges results at a micro-level. It's been requested and always declined. I wouldn’t call wards micro-level personally. The vast majority have at least two or three thousand voters in them, and lots have many thousands more than that. The ONS is after all allowed to publish far more personal data about population on a smaller level. As a genuine question, is it explicitly against the law to publish results below constituency level? Or just something that isn’t done? Can't recall the declaration I had to sign for counts. Some years back so may have changed. Parties have published results of sorts but a detailed breakdown would be frowned upon. Anything that discloses an individual vote would be illegal - signature, counterfoil number etc.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 18, 2021 15:57:24 GMT
I think there may be a case for it in terms of detection of fraud. Posting the local results outside the polling station was one of the conditions which the African Union imposed on Zimbabwe during the bad years of Mugabe fixing the results, and it stopped a lot of the maplractice. Extremely unlikely to happen here. Our staff are squeaky clean. I guess you are therefore completely opposed to the Conservative government's announced intention to require voters to produce identification, based as it is on a belief in widespread undetected electoral fraud.
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Post by hullenedge on Feb 18, 2021 16:08:05 GMT
Extremely unlikely to happen here. Our staff are squeaky clean. I guess you are therefore completely opposed to the Conservative government's announced intention to require voters to produce identification, based as it is on a belief in widespread undetected electoral fraud. That's a different issue. Possible fraud by the voter rather than possible fraud by the polling staff/counters etc. Personation does happen but on what scale? I don't have a problem with producing ID when casting my vote although I now vote by post.
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