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Post by Foggy on Dec 31, 2020 21:36:15 GMT
timmullen1 "Changes based on 2015", so what happened in the last ordinary election (if comparable). Nottingham 2019. Lab 50 Nottingham Ind 3 C 2. New ward boundaries. No split wards in 2019. Why isn't Clifton in Rushcliffe? Would you want Nottingham to be a one-party state??
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Dec 31, 2020 21:42:47 GMT
Why isn't Clifton in Rushcliffe? Would you want Nottingham to be a one-party state?? Isn't that the idea of its being a unitary authority? A vote sink to make the county council competitive...
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 31, 2020 22:16:43 GMT
Why isn't Clifton in Rushcliffe? Would you want Nottingham to be a one-party state?? Clifton was a Labour ward until relatively recently
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 31, 2020 22:21:24 GMT
A student Tory acquaintance of mine about 30 years ago got selected for one of the Clifton wards (would have been ahead of the 1991 elections or possibly the 1989 county council elections) but was basically a paper candidate in what was then a hopeless seat, and that was at a time when the Conservatives held half the seats in Nottingham. Shows how times change (although I think Clifton West includes the old Wilford ward from then which was winnable)
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Post by Sibboleth on Dec 31, 2020 23:03:23 GMT
Almost all of the Clifton estate is now in the Clifton East ward (and I very much doubt that the Rushcliffe Conservatives would be particularly happy at the prospect of it being transferred over). Not sure why Clifton West is even called that: a misnomer in almost every way - the bulk of the population live to the east of the bulk of the population of Clifton East.
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Post by andrewteale on Jan 1, 2021 0:52:38 GMT
timmullen1 "Changes based on 2015", so what happened in the last ordinary election (if comparable). Nottingham 2019. Lab 50 Nottingham Ind 3 C 2. New ward boundaries. No split wards in 2019. Why isn't Clifton in Rushcliffe? Basically because Nottingham Corporation built it. It's one of several English places which claim the title of "largest council estate in Europe".
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jan 1, 2021 9:00:02 GMT
Birmingham corporation built Chelmsley Wood, but Solihull now has the "pleasure" of owning that.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jan 1, 2021 11:27:51 GMT
Birmingham corporation built Chelmsley Wood, but Solihull now has the "pleasure" of owning that. The Frankley estate was eventually incorporated into Birmingham. When I worked in Bromsgrove in the 1980s, the complaint of Frankley tenants was that they had no influence on their landlords.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 1, 2021 11:51:26 GMT
The LCC and later GLC built lots of out-county estates - the GLC even built retirement bungalows in Cornwall.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jan 1, 2021 12:01:15 GMT
Birmingham corporation built Chelmsley Wood, but Solihull now has the "pleasure" of owning that. The Frankley estate was eventually incorporated into Birmingham. When I worked in Bromsgrove in the 1980s, the complaint of Frankley tenants was that they had no influence on their landlords. That is the parish of "New Frankley in Birmingham", the smaller of the two parished areas of the city, the other being Sutton Coldfield, the most populous parish in England with c. 100,000 residents
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jan 1, 2021 12:22:34 GMT
Birmingham corporation built Chelmsley Wood, but Solihull now has the "pleasure" of owning that. The Frankley estate was eventually incorporated into Birmingham. When I worked in Bromsgrove in the 1980s, the complaint of Frankley tenants was that they had no influence on their landlords. So New Frankley was added to Birmingham, but why not "west Rubery"? From maps and StreetView it looks just as much a similar uniform undifferentiated mass of housing, with the city border slicing through the middle of it
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Post by john07 on Jan 1, 2021 12:55:06 GMT
The Frankley estate was eventually incorporated into Birmingham. When I worked in Bromsgrove in the 1980s, the complaint of Frankley tenants was that they had no influence on their landlords. So New Frankley was added to Birmingham, but why not "west Rubery"? From maps and StreetView it looks just as much a similar uniform undifferentiated mass of housing, with the city border slicing through the middle of it You could say much the same about large chunks of the Birmingham/Black Country area. I could never see the distinctions between the various areas of Birmingham, Warley, West Bromwich, Dudley, etc. Mind you the locals seemed to be able to!
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Post by greenchristian on Jan 1, 2021 13:09:18 GMT
So New Frankley was added to Birmingham, but why not "west Rubery"? From maps and StreetView it looks just as much a similar uniform undifferentiated mass of housing, with the city border slicing through the middle of it You could say much the same about large chunks of the Birmingham/Black Country area. I could never see the distinctions between the various areas of Birmingham, Warley, West Bromwich, Dudley, etc. Mind you the locals seemed to be able to! Most of these distinctions are a result of urban sprawl from different towns meeting in the middle and a dividing line having to be drawn somewhere. That's not quite the same thing as the question of where an entirely new extension of a town or city belongs.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jan 1, 2021 16:35:42 GMT
The Frankley estate was eventually incorporated into Birmingham. When I worked in Bromsgrove in the 1980s, the complaint of Frankley tenants was that they had no influence on their landlords. That is the parish of "New Frankley in Birmingham", the smaller of the two parished areas of the city, the other being Sutton Coldfield, the most populous parish in England with c. 100,000 residents Royal Sutton Coldfield is ridiculous as a parish. It should really be a non-metropolitan district in Warwickshire or Staffordshire, which it has more than enough population and wealth to sustain. If Solihull were to become a non-metropolitan district in Warwickshire, it likewise would not need that strange protrusion north of the Airport, which could go into Birmingham.
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Post by Andrew_S on Jan 1, 2021 16:54:58 GMT
That is the parish of "New Frankley in Birmingham", the smaller of the two parished areas of the city, the other being Sutton Coldfield, the most populous parish in England with c. 100,000 residents Royal Sutton Coldfield is ridiculous as a parish. It should really be a non-metropolitan district in Warwickshire or Staffordshire, which it has more than enough population and wealth to sustain. If Solihull were to become a non-metropolitan district in Warwickshire, it likewise would not need that strange protrusion north of the Airport, which could go into Birmingham. I think the whole of Sutton Coldfield used to be in Warwickshire so that would be the obvious county to put it into again.
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Post by andrewteale on Jan 1, 2021 21:14:22 GMT
Brighton and Hove 2019. Lab 20 (-3) Grn 19 (+8) C 14 (-6) Ind 1 (+1). Note that the Green Party polled the most votes. Changes based on 2015: Grn gain from C Withdean (3) Grn gain from Lab Hanover and Elm Grove (1) Hollingdean and Stanmer (1) Preston Park (2) Queen's Park (1) Ind gain from C Rottingdean Coastal (1) Lab gain from C Central Hove, actually (1) Westbourne (1) Split wards in 2019 were: Goldsmid: 1Grn/2Lab Hollingdean and Stanmer: 2Lab/1Grn Queen's Park: 1Grn/2Lab Rottingdean Coastal: 1Ind/2C
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Post by Foggy on Jan 2, 2021 0:04:26 GMT
Lab gain from C Central Hove, actually (1) I see what you did there.
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Post by andrewteale on Jan 3, 2021 14:35:35 GMT
Tendring 2019. C 16 Ind 11 Lab 6 UKIP 5 Tendring First 4 Holland-on-Sea and Eastcliff Matters 3 LD 2 Foundation Party 1. New ward boundaries. St Osyth was a postponed poll. Localist lilac is Tendring First in Frinton and Walton, Holland-on-Sea and Eastcliff Matters in Clacton and Foundation Party in Weeley and Tendring. Split wards in 2019 were: Cann Hall: C/Tendring First Frinton: C/Tendring First West Clacton and Jaywick Sands: Ind/UKIP
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Post by relique on Jan 8, 2021 17:11:37 GMT
I did those maps of my "département". These are the legislative constituencies from 1958 to 2017.
I couldn't get the software to draw boundaries, so I had to use several blue, several red, several pink and several yellow to designate the right-wing (including gaullist and giscardien), the communists and insoumis, the socialists and the macronists respectively.
There's no map for 1986 since the election was a list-proportional election.
The boundaries are not perfect inside the cities (I need more information on that).
There are very few constituencies without much change.
The Dunkerque constituency has mostly been left-wing, even though it was once one constituency (by Albert Denvers), then two (with one going right-wing in 1993) then one again by my comrade republican left Christian Hutin (MRC then MDC)
To the right, the Lille-Lambersart and Lille-Marcq-en-Baroeul constituencies have been mostly right-wing (though with LREM now). The Flandre constituency (south of Dunkerque) has mostly been right-wing except between 1997 and 2002 with Monique Denise (PS), deputy mayor of Dunkerque (not in the constituency).
The Douai-South-East (then East) constituency (mining country) has also been communist for a long time, but not in 1958. Saint-Amand has also long been communist except in 1958 and in 1973 when a former socialist (who left in 1970 when the socialists signed a common platform with the communists and joined UDF) took it for one term.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jan 8, 2021 17:53:01 GMT
Something that has always puzzled me - why does the Nord département have a small detached part within Pas-de-Calais? British counties had detached parts for historical reasons connected with aristocratic land holdings, but the French départements were created after the aristos had mostly met Mme Guillotine, so it seems a bit of an anomaly.
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