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Post by spqr on Jul 15, 2017 1:48:02 GMT
Given that Melenchon made his name in business, and benefited from some deregulation to make it happen, I'd be shocked if he were the great Leftist some imagine. That and he is a massive prick. It seems to have been forgotten that Mélenchon was once a fairly conventional Mitterrandiste, who served faithfully as a junior minister in Jospin's market liberal régime (both he and Jospin were followers of Pierre Lambert's Trotskyist faction in their youth, incidentally). In many respects, his career trajectory resembles that of Tony Benn - he's gone from being a young party 'rising star' (and loyal follower of the leader) to ageing tribune of the hard left, whose lurch away from the mainstream was precipitated by his hostility to European integration. And as with Benn, one gets the feeling that there is a calculated edge to much of his political positioning. |
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Post by yellowperil on Jul 15, 2017 7:51:40 GMT
I have an itchy feeling I know what you mean. do not let women into your bathroom |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 15, 2017 17:45:04 GMT
He was a charlatan. The guillotine was invented in Halifax and is obliquely referred to in the Dalesman's Litany. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 15, 2017 23:17:46 GMT
The Gaullist position - which is very big government and interventionist - makes the French right tradition relatively unusual.
The Left has it's moments too. No one could have been more passionately in favour of the workers bomb than the French Communist Party.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 16, 2017 9:24:22 GMT
The Gaullist position - which is very big government and interventionist - makes the French right tradition relatively unusual. The Left has it's moments too. No one could have been more passionately in favour of the workers bomb than the French Communist Party. And of course the PCF were also firmly against abortion for a fair while too, mainly in the Seventies, because they thought it was a plot to reduce the proletariat! |
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Post by neilm on Jan 26, 2018 2:41:48 GMT
The Gaullist position - which is very big government and interventionist - makes the French right tradition relatively unusual. The Left has it's moments too. No one could have been more passionately in favour of the workers bomb than the French Communist Party. And of course the PCF were also firmly against abortion for a fair while too, mainly in the Seventies, because they thought it was a plot to reduce the proletariat! Were they anti-gay, like Militant? |
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Post by maxque on Jan 26, 2018 2:57:24 GMT
And of course the PCF were also firmly against abortion for a fair while too, mainly in the Seventies, because they thought it was a plot to reduce the proletariat! Were they anti-gay, like Militant? Yes, they turned around in the late 80's, under the pressure of the youth wing (through there was pretty much neutral on the quest in the 80's in general). |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 26, 2018 8:55:20 GMT
And of course the PCF were also firmly against abortion for a fair while too, mainly in the Seventies, because they thought it was a plot to reduce the proletariat! Were they anti-gay, like Militant? Militant really didn't get social movements at all. This is why comparisons between Militant and Momentum are way out - Momentum is very much the outcome of the social movement approach. Very different type of politics. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 26, 2018 9:48:29 GMT
And of course the PCF were also firmly against abortion for a fair while too, mainly in the Seventies, because they thought it was a plot to reduce the proletariat! Were they anti-gay, like Militant? Didn't Militant say that homosexuality was a "bourgeois pursuit"? |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 26, 2018 10:17:46 GMT
Worse: 'bourgeois deviation'
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 26, 2018 10:25:58 GMT
It's the antiquated view that all inequality can be reduced to class and if it doesn't it's a deviation from the class struggle derived from bourgeois ideology.
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 26, 2018 12:51:04 GMT
Worse: 'bourgeois deviation' Back in the post-WW2 Stalinist show trials, IIRC it wasn't unknown for people to confess to "bourgeois perversions" as well as their more "political" crimes. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Sept 1, 2018 5:09:23 GMT
Maxime Bernier has walked out of the Conservative Party of Canada calling the CPC “morally and intellectually corrupt”. It’s not so much a surprise as he’s been sidelined under Scheer and his recent Tweet storms about diversity being bad for Canada did not go down well. He says he’ll set up a new party in time for the next federal election in October next year. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45290823 |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 1, 2018 20:56:28 GMT
Maxime Bernier has walked out of the Conservative Party of Canada calling the CPC “morally and intellectually corrupt”. It’s not so much a surprise as he’s been sidelined under Scheer and his recent Tweet storms about diversity being bad for Canada did not go down well. He says he’ll set up a new party in time for the next federal election in October next year. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45290823Canada likes to share the corruption. The Grits had the the actual corruption down pat, so the Tories had to go for moral and intellectual. |
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Post by neilm on Sept 17, 2018 18:56:56 GMT
Leona Alleslev, Liberal for Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill to the Conservatives.
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Post by Khunanup on Sept 17, 2018 20:01:49 GMT
Leona Alleslev, Liberal for Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill to the Conservatives. And all five remaining Quebec debout MPs have returned to the Bloc. Odd timing for Alleslev. The Liberals are now reestablishing their lead in the polls and Bernier's just launched his new party which could split the right again. |
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Post by goose on Sept 17, 2018 20:02:47 GMT
Leona Alleslev, Liberal for Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill to the Conservatives. With a majority of just over 1000 this looks like self preservation for the General Election next year. |
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Post by Khunanup on Sept 17, 2018 20:13:37 GMT
Leona Alleslev, Liberal for Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill to the Conservatives. With a majority of just over 1000 this looks like self preservation for the General Election next year. But again, look at the polls and if Bernier gets any traction at all it's going to impact the Tories much more than anyone else. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 17, 2018 23:16:15 GMT
Worse: 'bourgeois deviation' Coming back to this, I saw today that the PCF referred to homosexuality and feminism as "the rubbish of capitalism", and Marchais was widely regarded as the most anti-immigration leader in France. All this changed when they ran out of voters, mind. |
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Post by neilm on Nov 27, 2018 8:31:19 GMT
Julia Banks, Liberal to independent, Australian House of Representatives.
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