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Post by andrea on Sept 21, 2020 13:09:45 GMT
Tuscany
Left 43.5 to 47% Right 40 to 44 5 Stars 4.5
Puglia
Left 39-43 Right 39-43 5 Stars 11-15
Veneto
Right 72-76 Left 16-20 5 Stars 3.5
Liguria
Rigt 51-55 Left 38-42
Marche
Right 47-51 Left 34-38
Campania
De Luca - Left 54-58 Right 23-27 5 Stars 10.5-14.5
As it is Italy, these exit polls may be totally wrong
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 21, 2020 13:36:09 GMT
By the way: Local elections were held, too. In Venice the CentreRight-incumbent should win easily, in Trento and Bolzano/Bozen the CentreLeft-ones. ReggioCalabria is another city, then lots of towns below 100.000 InHabitants.
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Post by andrea on Sept 21, 2020 13:38:29 GMT
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Post by andrea on Sept 21, 2020 13:48:28 GMT
By the way: Local elections were held, too. In Venice the CentreRight-incumbent should win easily, in Trento and Bolzano/Bozen the CentreLeft-ones. ReggioCalabria is another city, then lots of towns below 100.000 InHabitants. Exit polls by Rai Reggio Calabria: tie. Will go to run off Chieti: run off with centre-right way ahead Mantova: centre-left win Bolzano: centre-right marginally ahead. Will go to run off. German speaking party will decide the outcome Trento: centre-left largely ahead. May win on first round Venezia: centre-right largely ahead. May win on first round Matera: run off between centre-right and possibly 5 stars. Centre-left just behind M5S. Lecco: centre-right comfortably ahead. May won on first round. Arezzo: centre-right comfortably ahead. May won on first round.
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Post by andrea on Sept 21, 2020 15:56:01 GMT
First projections (based on early tallies) have PD candidate holding Tuscany 47 to 41% and Emiliano holding Puglia 47 to 40%.
Veneto and Campania are landslides. Liguria and Marche comfortable wins.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 21, 2020 16:08:14 GMT
First projections (based on early tallies) have PD candidate holding Tuscany 47 to 41% and Emiliano holding Puglia 47 to 40%. Veneto and Campania are landslides. Liguria and Marche comfortable wins. At interno.it and corriere.it only 6 precincts of Puglia are counted - is this projection based on these or also on the ExitPoll(s)?
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Post by andrea on Sept 21, 2020 16:16:38 GMT
The turnout for the referendum (not considering Italians abroad) is 53,85%
Sicily and Sardinia were at 35% Valle d'Aosta and Trentino Alto Adige were over 70% Veneto, Toscana and Marche over 65%.
The interesting thing is that where there were local elections turnout was higher. So one would assume regional elections were driven the turnout boost as you would expect similar turnouts in Veneto and Lombardia or Toscana/Marche with Emilia/Umbria. However, at the same time, in some of these regions turnout was higher for referendum than regional elections.
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Post by andrea on Sept 21, 2020 16:23:58 GMT
First projections (based on early tallies) have PD candidate holding Tuscany 47 to 41% and Emiliano holding Puglia 47 to 40%. Veneto and Campania are landslides. Liguria and Marche comfortable wins. At interno.it and corriere.it only 6 precincts of Puglia are counted - is this projection based on these or also on the ExitPoll(s)? The pollsters who got the exit poll commissioned had also the projections commissioned. The method they use is having some of their staff at the selected polling places in order to report them the result as soon as it is out (before it is uploaded in the official count). Based on those results they project the final outcome. They update the projections during the day as more results came in from their selected polling places. All 3 channels have similar numbers at the moment except on the extent of the lead in Marche.
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Post by andrea on Sept 21, 2020 17:19:32 GMT
Giani is giving the victory speech in Tuscany. Lega conceded defeat.
SI is at 69.53% with 58328 precincts out of 61622 reported
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Post by andrea on Sept 21, 2020 18:27:24 GMT
2 parliamentary by-elections were also held
Easy centre-right hold in one Veneto constituency. They polled 69% Centre-right gain (from 5 Stars) in a Sardegna seat. Winning candidate polled 40% against 30% for M5S-PD candidate and 25% for the Renzi candidate
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Post by andrea on Sept 22, 2020 8:14:24 GMT
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Referemdum results
YES 56,440 (75.92%) NO 17,903 (24.08%)
Turnout 26.14% Spoilt ballots: 6,741 Blank ballots: 295 Disputed ballots: 0
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 22, 2020 11:27:26 GMT
Overall these results weren't too bad for the centre-left?
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Post by Foggy on Sept 22, 2020 17:03:41 GMT
Overall these results weren't too bad for the centre-left? I'd say the referendum result was a good one for the populists. In the long run, I can't see how that benefits the centre. When the centre-left actually put forward a well thought out reform, instead of just a simplistic cut in one third of members of each chamber with no thought for the consequences, it was soundly turned down by the fickle Italian electorate.
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Post by andrea on Sept 22, 2020 20:09:41 GMT
The composition of regional councils
CAMPANIA
PD 8 seats De Luca Presidente 6 sets Italia Viva (Renzi) 4 seats Campania Libera (Free Campania) 2 seats Fare Democratico- Popolari (Democratic Make) 2 seats Noi Campani (We Campania people) 2 seats Liberaldemocratici - Moderati (Liberademocrats) 2 seats Centro Democratico (Democratic Centre) 2 seats Partito Socialista Italiano 1 seat +Campania in Europa 1 seat Europa Verde (Green Europe) 1 seat Davvero-Partito animalista 1 seat
Brothers of Italy 4 Lega 3 Forza Italia 2 Unione di Centro 1 + the losing candidate for presidency of the CR coalition
5 Stars 7
PUGLIA
PD 16 Con Emiliano 6 Popolari con Emiliano 5
Brothers of Italy 6 Lega 4 Forza Italia 4 La Puglia domani 3 + the losing candidate for presidency of the CR coalition 5 Stars 5
VENETO
Zaia Presidente 24 Lega 9 Brothers of Italy 5 Forza Italia 2 Lista Veneta Autonomia 1
PD 6 Il Veneto che vogliamo 1 Europa Verde 1 + the losing candidate for presidency of the CL coalition
LIGURIA
Cambiamo con Toti Presidente 8 Lega 6 Brothers of Italy 3 Forza Italia 1
PD 6 5 Stars 2 List Sansa Presidente 2 Sinistra per Sansa 1 + the losing candidate for presidency of the CL coalition
TOSCANA
PD 22 Italia Viva 2
Lega 7 Brothers of Italy 4 Forza Italia-Christian Democrats 1 + the losing candidate for presidency of the CR coalition
5 Stars 1 (+the losing candidate for presidency)
MARCHE
Lega 8 Brothers of Italy 7 Forza Italia 2 Civitas 1 Christian Democrats 1
PD 7 Rinasci Marche 1 + the losing candidate for presidency of the CL coalition
5 Stars 2
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LOL at De Luca's coalition in Campania
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 23, 2020 8:26:57 GMT
andrea is the Renzista figure in Campania something you would have expected? It seems surprisingly high to me.
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 23, 2020 10:40:01 GMT
Overall these results weren't too bad for the centre-left? I'd say the referendum result was a good one for the populists. In the long run, I can't see how that benefits the centre. When the centre-left actually put forward a well thought out reform, instead of just a simplistic cut in one third of members of each chamber with no thought for the consequences, it was soundly turned down by the fickle Italian electorate. I was referring to the actual elections. Of course the referendum saw a triumph for populism, as is rather the norm these days
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 23, 2020 13:10:43 GMT
Overall these results weren't too bad for the centre-left? I'd say the referendum result was a good one for the populists. In the long run, I can't see how that benefits the centre. When the centre-left actually put forward a well thought out reform, instead of just a simplistic cut in one third of members of each chamber with no thought for the consequences, it was soundly turned down by the fickle Italian electorate. Some terrible decisions have been made in Italian political history (moving the capital to Rome, Victor Emmanuel declaring himself to VE II of Italy rather than I, treating the South like conquered territory, joining World War One, joining World War Two, killing Moro, not killing Andreotti and Craxi) but forming a perfectly bicameral and gigantic legislature and then giving them all immunity from prosecution is probably the single worst decision in terms of everything it engendered.
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Post by Foggy on Sept 23, 2020 16:49:04 GMT
I'd say the referendum result was a good one for the populists. In the long run, I can't see how that benefits the centre. When the centre-left actually put forward a well thought out reform, instead of just a simplistic cut in one third of members of each chamber with no thought for the consequences, it was soundly turned down by the fickle Italian electorate. Some terrible decisions have been made in Italian political history (moving the capital to Rome, Victor Emmanuel declaring himself to VE II of Italy rather than I, treating the South like conquered territory, joining World War One, joining World War Two, killing Moro, not killing Andreotti and Craxi) but forming a perfectly bicameral and gigantic legislature and then giving them all immunity from prosecution is probably the single worst decision in terms of everything it engendered. I agree all those were grave errors (bar possibly the location of the capital, though the way it was achieved wasn't ideal) and am not advocating that Italian MPs and Senators should retain immunity from prosecution. I'd gladly scrap that in a heartbeat. I was in favour of a massive reduction in the size of the Senate too (by two thirds instead of just one) as long as it was accompanied by other, well thought out reforms such as, like you said, an end to 'perfect bicameralism'. I think given Italy's population and the lack of true decentralisation in most regions, the size of the lower house isn't unjustified.
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Post by andrea on Sept 23, 2020 21:04:17 GMT
Mayoral elections in main towns elected Macerata: CR 52.8% CL 32.6%. Gain from CL (incumbent term-limited) Mantova: CL (incumbent) 70.7% CR 22.1% Venezia: CR (incumbent)54.1% CL 29.3% Fermo: Independent (incumbent) 71.4% CL 14.8% Lega 10.2% Trento: CL 54.7% CR 30.2%. CL incumbent stood down Trani: CL (incumbent) 65.4% CR 16.1% run offs Arezzo: CR (incumbent) 47.1 CL 35.1. Lecco: CR 48.7% CL 41.7%. Currently held by CL, incumbent term-limited Reggio Calabria: CL (incumbent) 37.1% CR 33.9% Bolzano: CL (incumbent) 34% CR 33.1% SVP 13.5% Aosta: CL 38.8% Rinascimento 24.3%. CL incumbent stood down by his coalition Matera: CR 30.3% 5 Stars 27.6%. Independent incumbent standing down Crotone: CR 41.6% Local 36.2%. Centrist incumbent resigned in 2019 after being prosecuted. Chieti: CR 38.8% CL 21.5%. Brothers of Italy incumbent term-limited. Andria: CL 38.1% 5 Stars 20.7% . CR incumbent resigned in 2019 after the council voted down his budget. I'd say the referendum result was a good one for the populists. In the long run, I can't see how that benefits the centre. When the centre-left actually put forward a well thought out reform, instead of just a simplistic cut in one third of members of each chamber with no thought for the consequences, it was soundly turned down by the fickle Italian electorate. I was referring to the actual elections. Of course the referendum saw a triumph for populism, as is rather the norm these days yes, it wasn't too bad. It was the best outcome they could have realistically hoped for. It isn't good though as they lost Marche and are not competitve in Liguria (which used to be a marginal) andrea is the Renzista figure in Campania something you would have expected? It seems surprisingly high to me. yes, it wasn't an area where I would expected Renzi to be attractive. However, local elections in Campania are very driven by personalities. I need to check who were their candidates Edit: apart from Benevento, they did pretty well everywehre else. But especially in Avellino province where they polled 12%. Their lead candidate there has been elected with Democratic Centre in 2015
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 23, 2020 23:21:23 GMT
Edit: apart from Benevento, they did pretty well everywehre else. But especially in Avellino province where they polled 12%. Their lead candidate there has been elected with Democratic Centre in 2015 Genepool DCs for REFORM!
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