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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Jan 4, 2021 12:17:36 GMT
I've just made it so you're in the independent "group", Whatever they're called this week...
I'm Independent; I don't see it as a group, though I guess it is for board management purposes.
I chose Independent a self-descriptor because I am not in a party group, and prefer it to the non-aligned label.
If you want to call me by another label this week, how about unquantifiable?
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 4, 2021 13:18:31 GMT
"Protest too much?".
Yes, it wasn't "a political descriptor [you] would use". But it's a personal description you appear to apply to yourself. There's nothing to be ashamed of in having inconsistent opinions. Most people have (including me)! We work our way through life and accumulate experiences that we then fit with the ideology we have (or we change the ideology). And the fit isn't always neat. I had much more consistent views when I was in my early 20s and expressed them with great clarity. Nowadays many of my views are carefully qualified, changing me from a powerful orator when young to someone with an entirely different and more complex speaking style. "Coherence" (in politics) as you put it is pretty hard to achieve. That's one reason why most gravitate toward fairly pragmatic, experiential political philosophies. I agree, as an example, I am currently trying to come up with a "coherent" rationale for my opposition to faith schools but my support for Gaelic-medium schools. Why is that a problem?
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Post by European Lefty on Jan 4, 2021 13:19:28 GMT
"Protest too much?".
Yes, it wasn't "a political descriptor [you] would use". But it's a personal description you appear to apply to yourself. There's nothing to be ashamed of in having inconsistent opinions. Most people have (including me)! We work our way through life and accumulate experiences that we then fit with the ideology we have (or we change the ideology). And the fit isn't always neat. I had much more consistent views when I was in my early 20s and expressed them with great clarity. Nowadays many of my views are carefully qualified, changing me from a powerful orator when young to someone with an entirely different and more complex speaking style. "Coherence" (in politics) as you put it is pretty hard to achieve. That's one reason why most gravitate toward fairly pragmatic, experiential political philosophies. I agree, as an example, I am currently trying to come up with a "coherent" rationale for my opposition to faith schools but my support for Gaelic-medium schools. One is a necessary way of preventing the extinction of an ancient part of the culture of part of the UK, the other is not. And one has been nearly crushed out of existence by various authorities, while the other hasn't
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 4, 2021 13:38:32 GMT
"Protest too much?".
Yes, it wasn't "a political descriptor [you] would use". But it's a personal description you appear to apply to yourself. There's nothing to be ashamed of in having inconsistent opinions. Most people have (including me)! We work our way through life and accumulate experiences that we then fit with the ideology we have (or we change the ideology). And the fit isn't always neat. I had much more consistent views when I was in my early 20s and expressed them with great clarity. Nowadays many of my views are carefully qualified, changing me from a powerful orator when young to someone with an entirely different and more complex speaking style. "Coherence" (in politics) as you put it is pretty hard to achieve. That's one reason why most gravitate toward fairly pragmatic, experiential political philosophies. I agree, as an example, I am currently trying to come up with a "coherent" rationale for my opposition to faith schools but my support for Gaelic-medium schools. I don't see them as being at all related?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 4, 2021 13:40:03 GMT
Burn the heretic!
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jan 4, 2021 14:23:08 GMT
I agree, as an example, I am currently trying to come up with a "coherent" rationale for my opposition to faith schools but my support for Gaelic-medium schools. One is a necessary way of preventing the extinction of an ancient part of the culture of part of the UK, the other is not. And one has been nearly crushed out of existence by various authorities, while the other hasn't Of course, various authorities are trying to crush faith out of existence.
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Post by European Lefty on Jan 4, 2021 14:44:42 GMT
One is a necessary way of preventing the extinction of an ancient part of the culture of part of the UK, the other is not. And one has been nearly crushed out of existence by various authorities, while the other hasn't Of course, various authorities are trying to crush faith out of existence. I assume you can cite an example of that in the UK?
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Post by maxque on Jan 4, 2021 15:01:42 GMT
Could someone administratorial sort out the socialist room it still shows Merseymike as admin, it was bad enough having your posts amended him when he was a socialist but its a bit too rich if he's now able to do it as a 'libertarian!
hot bed of posting that it is. I'm not sure how the other socialists feel but you can close it as far as I'm concerned.
Does the socialist label stand for some kind of trotskyst small (tautology here) party ? I'm a french socialist but I know that in some countries "socialist" stands for people advocating for a specific socialist internationale. Is it the case here ? Here, Socialist is a catch-all labels for people who are members of small (far)-left-wing parties or generally think of Labour as too right-wing.
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Post by relique on Jan 4, 2021 15:04:21 GMT
Does the socialist label stand for some kind of trotskyst small (tautology here) party ? I'm a french socialist but I know that in some countries "socialist" stands for people advocating for a specific socialist internationale. Is it the case here ? Here, Socialist is a catch-all labels for people who are members of small (far)-left-wing parties or generally think of Labour as too right-wing. Ok ! Thanks !
Then, if a non-registered voter in GB (but registered to vote in France) can indeed get a label, then I'd like the socialist one, dear BossMan . Thank you !
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Post by neilm on Jan 4, 2021 16:57:31 GMT
Thanks. I wanted some clarification as there is (or was, I think it was renamed Solidarity and then merged with People Before Profit) a Socialist Party in Ireland (including the north I think) and I think it is a clear trotskyst party. As I'm really not close politically to them, I was wondering if here, the label "socialist" refered to this party (or a similar one in Great Britain). The Socialist party in Ireland stood under the label People Before Profit, under which label they had three TD's elected. Although they had a separate genesis they are the equivalent of the Socialist Party in the United Kingdom, formerly the Militant Tendency, formerly the Revolutionary Socialist League etc, etc. Solidarity was Tommy Sheridan's party in Scotland, although the name has been used by lots of people over the years. Not to mention the SPGB.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 4, 2021 17:18:17 GMT
That would be impossible.
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 4, 2021 17:26:11 GMT
That would be impossible. They have the right to be lazy.
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Post by BossMan on Jan 4, 2021 17:39:03 GMT
Here, Socialist is a catch-all labels for people who are members of small (far)-left-wing parties or generally think of Labour as too right-wing. Ok ! Thanks ! Then, if a non-registered voter in GB (but registered to vote in France) can indeed get a label, then I'd like the socialist one, dear BossMan . Thank you ! Your display name should now be a rather fetching shade of crimson.
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Post by relique on Jan 4, 2021 17:47:53 GMT
Ok ! Thanks ! Then, if a non-registered voter in GB (but registered to vote in France) can indeed get a label, then I'd like the socialist one, dear BossMan . Thank you ! Your display name should now be a rather fetching shade of crimson. Thank you !
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Post by Strontium Dog on Jan 4, 2021 17:58:29 GMT
One is a necessary way of preventing the extinction of an ancient part of the culture of part of the UK, the other is not. And one has been nearly crushed out of existence by various authorities, while the other hasn't Of course, various authorities are trying to crush faith out of existence. If only. But as only one of two nations on the planet that reserves spaces in its legislature for clerics (the other being Iran), that day is a long way away.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jan 4, 2021 18:08:46 GMT
Of course, various authorities are trying to crush faith out of existence. If only. But as only one of two nations on the planet that reserves spaces in its legislature for clerics (the other being Iran), that day is a long way away. "If only" - how liberal of you.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jan 4, 2021 18:23:15 GMT
If only. But as only one of two nations on the planet that reserves spaces in its legislature for clerics (the other being Iran), that day is a long way away. "If only" - how liberal of you. Lib Dems aren't proper liberals. Proper classical liberals join conservative parties these days.
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Post by Strontium Dog on Jan 4, 2021 18:27:11 GMT
If only. But as only one of two nations on the planet that reserves spaces in its legislature for clerics (the other being Iran), that day is a long way away. "If only" - how liberal of you. I make no apology for wanting to see irrational thought replaced by rational thought. I fail to see what is illiberal about this.
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Post by peterl on Jan 4, 2021 18:32:07 GMT
"If only" - how liberal of you. I make no apology for wanting to see irrational thought replaced by rational thought. I fail to see what is illiberal about this. Well I fail to see how supporting "crushing faith out of existence" could possibly be called liberal. It depends I suppose on what methods you would like to see used against what you regard as "irrational thought".
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jan 4, 2021 18:34:56 GMT
"If only" - how liberal of you. I make no apology for wanting to see irrational thought replaced by rational thought. I fail to see what is illiberal about this. It is more the sense of righteousness, where one person thinks they are so much cleverer than the rest, I suppose. Not making a dig - I have no wish to remove your rights, or destroy your views, as that truly would be irrational. My views are not irrational, you just don't agree with them, which is fair enough. For what it is worth, I don't believe in the Lords Spiritual having seats, but then I don't believe in the House of Lords.
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