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Post by finsobruce on Nov 30, 2021 9:58:07 GMT
Oh my GOD! UK has been famous for its heraldry and so are the CoatOfArms. But those new logos are wishy-washy wimp-wellness without any link to the respective areas they should present. Costly, but good, that they get always replaced after few years. that's about the size of it Georg.
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Post by hullenedge on Dec 1, 2021 16:01:25 GMT
What 'class' of meal would the parties serve?
Copied from the new edition of Elections &Voters in Britain.
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Post by greenchristian on Dec 3, 2021 17:43:31 GMT
Oh my GOD! UK has been famous for its heraldry and so are the CoatOfArms. But those new logos are wishy-washy wimp-wellness without any link to the respective areas they should present. Costly, but good, that they get always replaced after few years. I'd dispute that these logos have no link to the areas. It may be true in some cases, but not in either of the council areas I've called home. Coventry's logo is an image of Lady Godiva, who is famously associated with the city (though it is less clear in the current logo than in the one it replaced about a decade and a half ago). Colchester's logo is an image of a Roman Centurion, and Colchester was at its most important during the Roman period, and Essex County Council's three swords logo is taken straight from the county's coat of arms.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Dec 3, 2021 18:27:43 GMT
Oh my GOD! UK has been famous for its heraldry and so are the CoatOfArms. But those new logos are wishy-washy wimp-wellness without any link to the respective areas they should present. Costly, but good, that they get always replaced after few years. Most local authorities will have been granted a "coat" of arms by the College of Arms or Scottish equivalent (Lord Lyon?) and those of course do not change.
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Post by timmullen1 on Dec 3, 2021 22:13:39 GMT
Oh my GOD! UK has been famous for its heraldry and so are the CoatOfArms. But those new logos are wishy-washy wimp-wellness without any link to the respective areas they should present. Costly, but good, that they get always replaced after few years. Most local authorities will have been granted a "coat" of arms by the College of Arms or Scottish equivalent (Lord Lyon?) and those of course do not change. Yes, Stoke’s headed paper has the formal coat of arms from when it was Federated into a City with the “Vis Unitas Fortior” motto tucked away at the bottom, with the logo, a bottle oven chimney surrounded by six circles representing the six towns, in the more prominent position. I’m not a huge fan, but it most definitely has a link to the heritage of the City.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Dec 4, 2021 1:46:43 GMT
Oh my GOD! UK has been famous for its heraldry and so are the CoatOfArms. But those new logos are wishy-washy wimp-wellness without any link to the respective areas they should present. Costly, but good, that they get always replaced after few years. I'd dispute that these logos have no link to the areas. It may be true in some cases, but not in either of the council areas I've called home. Coventry's logo is an image of Lady Godiva, who is famously associated with the city (though it is less clear in the current logo than in the one it replaced about a decade and a half ago). Colchester's logo is an image of a Roman Centurion, and Colchester was at its most important during the Roman period, and Essex County Council's three swords logo is taken straight from the county's coat of arms. Right; but those recently created - Bournem.C.P., C.Beds. , Bucks.U.A., N.&W.Northants aso., E.Ches. - can really be forgotten.
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Post by YL on Dec 4, 2021 13:32:53 GMT
The top 20 wards in England for "Main language: Welsh/Cymraeg" in the 2011 census. (Wards as they were at the time.)
Shropshire: Oswestry South Shropshire: Oswestry West Shropshire: St Oswald Cheshire West & Chester: Garden Quarter Telford & Wrekin: Newport East Shropshire: Gobowen, Selattyn and Weston Rhyn Telford & Wrekin: Edgmond Cheshire West & Chester: Boughton Shropshire: Oswestry East Cheshire West & Chester: Chester City Shropshire: St Martin's Cheshire West & Chester: Hoole Liverpool: Greenbank Shropshire: Llanymynech Shropshire: Whittington Cheshire West & Chester: Handbridge Park Liverpool: Central Cheshire West & Chester: Upton Telford & Wrekin: Newport South Cheshire West & Chester: Great Boughton
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Post by greenhert on Dec 4, 2021 14:22:53 GMT
The top 20 wards in England for "Main language: Welsh/Cymraeg" in the 2011 census. (Wards as they were at the time.) Shropshire: Oswestry South Shropshire: Oswestry West Shropshire: St OswaldCheshire West & Chester: Garden QuarterTelford & Wrekin: Newport EastShropshire: Gobowen, Selattyn and Weston RhynTelford & Wrekin: EdgmondCheshire West & Chester: BoughtonShropshire: Oswestry EastCheshire West & Chester: Chester CityShropshire: St Martin'sCheshire West & Chester: HooleLiverpool: GreenbankShropshire: Llanymynech Shropshire: WhittingtonCheshire West & Chester: Handbridge ParkLiverpool: CentralCheshire West & Chester: UptonTelford & Wrekin: Newport SouthCheshire West & Chester: Great BoughtonI am amazed two Liverpudlian wards made it into that list, especially given that you are more likely to find people of Irish/Northern Irish origin there.
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Post by johnloony on Dec 4, 2021 14:32:33 GMT
The top 20 wards in England for "Main language: Welsh/Cymraeg" in the 2011 census. (Wards as they were at the time.) Shropshire: Oswestry South Shropshire: Oswestry West Shropshire: St OswaldCheshire West & Chester: Garden QuarterTelford & Wrekin: Newport EastShropshire: Gobowen, Selattyn and Weston RhynTelford & Wrekin: EdgmondCheshire West & Chester: BoughtonShropshire: Oswestry EastCheshire West & Chester: Chester CityShropshire: St Martin'sCheshire West & Chester: HooleLiverpool: GreenbankShropshire: Llanymynech Shropshire: WhittingtonCheshire West & Chester: Handbridge ParkLiverpool: CentralCheshire West & Chester: UptonTelford & Wrekin: Newport SouthCheshire West & Chester: Great BoughtonWhat % of people or households in those wards?
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Post by grahammurray on Dec 4, 2021 14:35:04 GMT
The top 20 wards in England for "Main language: Welsh/Cymraeg" in the 2011 census. (Wards as they were at the time.) Shropshire: Oswestry South Shropshire: Oswestry West Shropshire: St OswaldCheshire West & Chester: Garden QuarterTelford & Wrekin: Newport EastShropshire: Gobowen, Selattyn and Weston RhynTelford & Wrekin: EdgmondCheshire West & Chester: BoughtonShropshire: Oswestry EastCheshire West & Chester: Chester CityShropshire: St Martin'sCheshire West & Chester: HooleLiverpool: GreenbankShropshire: Llanymynech Shropshire: WhittingtonCheshire West & Chester: Handbridge ParkLiverpool: CentralCheshire West & Chester: UptonTelford & Wrekin: Newport SouthCheshire West & Chester: Great BoughtonI am amazed two Liverpudlian wards made it into that list, especially given that you are more likely to find people of Irish/Northern Irish origin there. Student wards.
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Post by YL on Dec 4, 2021 14:43:03 GMT
The top 20 wards in England for "Main language: Welsh/Cymraeg" in the 2011 census. (Wards as they were at the time.) Shropshire: Oswestry South Shropshire: Oswestry West Shropshire: St OswaldCheshire West & Chester: Garden QuarterTelford & Wrekin: Newport EastShropshire: Gobowen, Selattyn and Weston RhynTelford & Wrekin: EdgmondCheshire West & Chester: BoughtonShropshire: Oswestry EastCheshire West & Chester: Chester CityShropshire: St Martin'sCheshire West & Chester: HooleLiverpool: GreenbankShropshire: Llanymynech Shropshire: WhittingtonCheshire West & Chester: Handbridge ParkLiverpool: CentralCheshire West & Chester: UptonTelford & Wrekin: Newport SouthCheshire West & Chester: Great BoughtonWhat % of people or households in those wards? 1.2% of people in Oswestry South, 0.9% in Oswestry West, 0.7% in St Oswald, between 0.2% and 0.5% in the others.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Dec 4, 2021 20:00:24 GMT
What % of people or households in those wards? 1.2% of people in Oswestry South, 0.9% in Oswestry West, 0.7% in St Oswald, between 0.2% and 0.5% in the others. The former Minshull Ward of Crewe & Nantwich (subsumed by 2011 into a much larger ward of Cheshire East) could have been interesting given the significant numbers of Welsh students at Reaseheath College of Agriculture.
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Post by iang on Dec 6, 2021 13:06:48 GMT
I am amazed two Liverpudlian wards made it into that list, especially given that you are more likely to find people of Irish/Northern Irish origin there. Student wards. Doubt it. I think there has long been a Welsh speaking presence in Liverpool. A University friend of mine was Welsh Liverpudlian, and his father was the pastor of a Welsh speaking church in the city (can't remember exactly where)
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Post by grahammurray on Dec 6, 2021 14:45:40 GMT
Doubt it. I think there has long been a Welsh speaking presence in Liverpool. A University friend of mine was Welsh Liverpudlian, and his father was the pastor of a Welsh speaking church in the city (can't remember exactly where) They wouldn't have Welsh as their first language, surely.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Dec 6, 2021 15:02:52 GMT
Doubt it. I think there has long been a Welsh speaking presence in Liverpool. A University friend of mine was Welsh Liverpudlian, and his father was the pastor of a Welsh speaking church in the city (can't remember exactly where) They wouldn't have Welsh as their first language, surely. Ever since the question was first posed in 1891 (in Wales) the precise meaning of the question has been debated. I believe the question on the English forms is something along the lines of "what is the main language used"? Which is tricky.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Dec 6, 2021 15:33:02 GMT
Doubt it. I think there has long been a Welsh speaking presence in Liverpool. A University friend of mine was Welsh Liverpudlian, and his father was the pastor of a Welsh speaking church in the city (can't remember exactly where) They wouldn't have Welsh as their first language, surely. You'd be surprised. A whole section of Liverpool was Welsh-speaking at one time.I remember reading the obituary of a Liverpool-raised academic who had had a stroke near the end of his life and was subsequently only able to speak in the Welsh of his childhood.
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Post by iang on Dec 6, 2021 15:37:52 GMT
Doubt it. I think there has long been a Welsh speaking presence in Liverpool. A University friend of mine was Welsh Liverpudlian, and his father was the pastor of a Welsh speaking church in the city (can't remember exactly where) They wouldn't have Welsh as their first language, surely. I believe they would - as Gwyn says below, if you define it as the language used in the household, their first language was Welsh
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Post by grahammurray on Dec 6, 2021 16:13:26 GMT
They wouldn't have Welsh as their first language, surely. You'd be surprised. A whole section kf Liverpool was Welsh-speaking at one time.I remember reading the obituary of a Liverpool-raised academic who had had a stroke near the end of his life and was subsequently only able to speak in the Welsh of his childhood. I'm fairly sure that the demographic of stroke-suffering bilingual academics reverting to the childhood tongue isn't a huge one. The two Liverpool wards quoted are among the top (if not the top) student wards in the city. These must be Welsh native speakers studying there.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Dec 6, 2021 16:23:57 GMT
You'd be surprised. A whole section kf Liverpool was Welsh-speaking at one time.I remember reading the obituary of a Liverpool-raised academic who had had a stroke near the end of his life and was subsequently only able to speak in the Welsh of his childhood. I'm fairly sure that the demographic of stroke-suffering bilingual academics reverting to the childhood tongue isn't a huge one. The two Liverpool wards quoted are among the top (if not the top) student wards in the city. These must be Welsh native speakers studying there. I was making a historical reference. In the early twentieth century, there was a longstanding community of Welsh-speakers whose home language, ergo their first language, was Welsh.
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