johnr
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Post by johnr on Mar 27, 2016 10:44:37 GMT
The 100th anniversary of the Easter Rising, and the subsequent path to the creation of the Irish Free State and then Republic has made me think. What would it have taken to stop this? If the Government of Ireland Act had actually been passed, rather than suspended, certainly. But also the Curragh Mutiny should have been dealt with differently - surely it is the duty of Army Officers to obey orders of a legitimate government?
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Post by johnr on Mar 27, 2016 10:45:50 GMT
The Government of Ireland Act created a 164 member Irish House of Commons, a 40 member Irish Senate with 46 Irish MPs sent to Westminster.
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cibwr
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Post by cibwr on Mar 27, 2016 12:00:38 GMT
Can anyone point me to the exact text....
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Post by johnr on Mar 27, 2016 17:49:13 GMT
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Post by La Fontaine on Mar 27, 2016 19:34:02 GMT
The 100th anniversary of the Easter Rising, and the subsequent path to the creation of the Irish Free State and then Republic has made me think. What would it have taken to stop this? If the Government of Ireland Act had actually been passed, rather than suspended, certainly. But also the Curragh Mutiny should have been dealt with differently - surely it is the duty of Army Officers to obey orders of a legitimate government? It seems to me that the mutiny simply demonstrated the reality: there was no real possibility of coercing the protestant north east. |
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Post by cibwr on Mar 28, 2016 9:44:26 GMT
Thank you, I did look but couldn't spot it. And at 40 pages remarkably short compared to the current legislation proposed for Wales. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Mar 28, 2016 17:14:03 GMT
I think 1914 is probably too late to change things - implementation would have been prevented by WW1 whatever happened. If Gladstone had got Home Rule through things might have been different - there would at least have been less time for Ulster opposition to be mobilised, and it might have been possible to negotiate a compromise with the franchise granted in a deliberately discriminatory way to give Protestants greater representation initially.
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Post by Ghyl Tarvoke on Mar 28, 2016 18:50:37 GMT
I am glad to have a thread on which to discuss the Easter Rising and happy that it should begin earlier in history. The democratic passing of this Act in the face of democratic opposition from Ulster showed that democracy was capable of achieving the goals of Irish Nationalists and probably in time Irish Republicans. Ireland had seen huge changes in land ownership since the famine, it had democratic local government and representation in the House of Commons. The path the Irish people went down instead resulted in sixty years of poverty and ignorance, partition and civil war and their commemoration of the Easter Rising indicates that they still don't get that lesson. Poverty, ignorance, and the possibility of partition (certainly) and civil war (diminishing because of possible partition) were certainly prevalent in Ireland in 1914. While no fan of the rebels, it is absurd to blame those conditions solely on them. |
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Post by Ghyl Tarvoke on Mar 28, 2016 18:57:00 GMT
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johnr
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Post by johnr on Mar 29, 2016 17:48:06 GMT
I think 1914 is probably too late to change things - implementation would have been prevented by WW1 whatever happened. If Gladstone had got Home Rule through things might have been different - there would at least have been less time for Ulster opposition to be mobilised, and it might have been possible to negotiate a compromise with the franchise granted in a deliberately discriminatory way to give Protestants greater representation initially. Perhaps then, what if the Parliament Act 1911 only delayed bills for a year, rather than two - its more like the 1949 act in that case. SO we would have a Government of Ireland Act 1913.... |
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