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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 7, 2016 22:55:01 GMT
My suggested changes, based on the draft recommendations. I've used the lower Northern Ireland quota a lot, which is probably a problem. The main aim is to avoid splitting towns. Belfast East(72001): No change. North Down(74317): No change Dalriada(72163): No change Glenshane(74355): No change Foyle(71398): No change Belfast North West(70215): Adds Ballymurphy from Belfast South West, loses Collinbridge and Valley to East Antrim. Belfast South West(70266): Loses Ballymurphy to Belfast North West Strangford (69434): Adds Beechill, Newtownbreda, Knockbracken, Carryduff West from West Down. Loses Saintfield, Kilmore, Ballynahinch to West Down, Loses Crossgar & Killyleagh, Derryboy to South Down. West Down(73125): Adds Saintfield, Kilmore, Ballynahinch from Strangford Adds Drumaness, Loughbrickland from South Down Adds Ballinderry from South Antrim Loses Beechill, Newtownbreda, Knockbracken, Carryduff West to Strangford Loses Blaris, Hillhall to South Antrim Loses Bleary to Upper Bann South Down (73234) Adds Crossgar & Killyleagh, Derryboy from Strangford Loses Drumaness, Loughbrickland to West Down Newry & Armagh (75389) Adds Blackwatertown from Upper Bann Loses Mahon to Upper Bann Upper Bann (78390) Adds Mahon from Newry & Armagh Adds Bleary from West Down Adds Mullaghmore from North Tyrone Loses Blackwatertown to Newry & Armagh Fermanagh & South Tyrone (70911) Loses Newtownstewart to North Tyrone North Tyrone (71565) Adds Newtownstewart from FST Loses Mullaghmore to Upper Bann West Antrim / Mid Antrim ( 76899) Adds Cairncastle, Carnlough & Glenarm, Kilwaughter, Larne(X4) from East Antrim Loses Newtownabbey wards including Mossley to East Antrim South Antrim (71619) Adds Blaris, Hillhall from West Down Loses Hightown to East Antrim Loses Ballinderry to West Down East Antrim (75597) Adds Newtownabbey/Glengormley wards including Collinbridge, Valley and Mossley, but not Mallusk Loses Cairncastle, Carnlough & Glenarm, Kilwaughter, Larne(4) to Mid Antrim. I would be very grateful if someone could post this in map form, as I don't know how to do so from a mobile device. I hope the changes are as easy as possible to follow.  |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Sept 8, 2016 11:15:07 GMT
Here's my Northern Ireland suggestion
Antrim County (71,924)
Causeway Coast and Glens: Atlantic, Ballycastle, Ballymoney East, Ballymoney North, Ballymoney South, Clogh Mills, Dervock, Dundooan, Dunloy, Giant's Causeway, Hopefield, Kinbane, Loughguile and Stranocum, Lurigethan, Mountsandel, Portrush and Dunluce, Portstewart, Quarry, Rasharkin, Route, Torr Head and Rathlin, University, Windy Hall
Mid and East Antrim: Ahoghill, Cullybackey, Glenravel, Grange, Kirkinriola, Maine, Portglenone
Armagh County with Banbridge (75,806)
Armagh, Banbridge and Craigavon: Banbridge East, Banbridge North, Banbridge South, Banbridge West, Blackwatertown, Cathedral, Demesne, Gransha, Hamiltonsbawn, Keady, Loughbrickland, Loughgall, Markethill, Navan, Rathfriland, Richhill, Seagahan, The Mall
Newry, Mourne and Down: Camlough, Crossmaglen, Forkhill, Mullaghbane, Newtownhamilton
Ballymena (77,437)
Mid and East Antrim: Academy, Ardeevin, Ballee and Harryville, Ballycarry and Glynn, Ballykeel, Boneybefore, Braidwater, Broughshane, Burleigh Hill, Cairncastle, Carnlough and Glenarm, Castle, Castle Demesne, Craigyhill, Curran and Inver, Fair Green, Galgorm, Gardenmore, Glenwhirry, Greenisland, Islandmagee, Kells, Kilroot, Kilwaughter, Love Lane, Park, Slemish, Sunnylands, The Maidens, Victoria, Whitehead South, Woodburn
Belfast Central (70,510)
City of Belfast: Andersonstown, Belvoir, Blackstaff, Central, Cregagh, Duncairn, Dunmurry, Falls, Falls Park, Finaghy, Malone, Merok, Musgrave, New Lodge, Ormeau, Ravenhill, Rosetta, Stranmillis, Upper Malone, Windsor
Belfast East and Down North West (71,406)
City of Belfast: Ballymacarrett, Beersbridge, Belmont, Bloomfield, Connswater, Garnerville, Knock, Orangefield, Sandown, Sydenham, Woodstock
North Down and Ards: Ballyholme, Bryansburn, Clandeboye, Cultra, Harbour, Helen's Bay, Holywood, Kilcooley, Loughview, Rathgael, Rathmore, Silverstream
Belfast West (72,481)
City of Belfast: Ardoyne, Ballygomartin, Ballymurphy, Beechmount, Chichester Park, Cliftonville, Clonard, Collin, Glen, Forth River, Fortwilliam, Ladybrook, Lagmore, Poleglass, Shankill, Shaw's Road, Stewartstown, Turf Lodge, Twinbrook, Water Works, Woodvale
Down South and the Mourne Mountains(70,642)
City of Belfast: Gilnahirk, Hillfoot, Shandon, Stormont
Lisburn and Castlereagh: Ballyhanwood, Cairnshill, Carrowreagh, Carryduff East, Dundonald, Enler, Galwally, Graham's Bridge, Knockbracken, Moneyreagh, Newtownbreda
Newry, Mourne and Down: Ballynahinch, Cathedral, Crossgar and Killyleagh, Derryboy, Drumaness, Kilmore, Knocknashinna, Lecale, Quoile, Saintfield, Strangford
North Down and Ards: Ballygowan
Fermanagh (70,810)
Fermanagh and Omagh: Ballinamallard, Belcoo and Garrison, Belleek and Boa, Boho, Cleenish and Letterbreen, Brookeborough, Camowen, Castlecoole, Coolnagard, Dergmoney, Derrygonnelly, Derrylin, Donagh, Dromore, Drumquin, Ederney and Kesh, Erne, Fairy Water, Fintona, Florence Court and Kinawley, Gortin, Gortrush, Irvinestown, Killyclogher, Lisbellaw, Lisnarrick, Lisnaskea, Maguiresbridge, Newtownbutler, Portora, Rosslea, Rossorry, Strule, Tempo, Trillick
Mid Ulster: Fivemiletown
Lisburn (70,733)
Lisburn and Castlereagh: Ballinderry, Ballymacash, Ballymacbrennan, Ballymacoss, Beechill, Blaris, Carryduff West, Derryaghy, Dromara, Drumbo, Glenavy, Harmony Hill, Hilden, Hillhall, Hillsborough, Knockmore, Lagan, Lagan Valley, Lambeg, Lisnagarvey, Maghaberry, Magheralave, Maze, Moira, Old Warren, Ravernet, Stonyford, Wallace Park, White Mountain
Londonderry East and Limvady (72,657)
Causeway Coast and Glens: Aghadowey, Altahullion, Ballykelly, Castlerock, Churchland, Coolessan, Drumsurn, Dungiven, Feeny, Garvagh, Greysteel,
Greystone, Kilrea, Macosquin, Magilligan, Roeside, Waterside
Derry and Strabane: Caw, Claudy, Clondermot, Drumahoe, Ebrington, Eglinton, Enagh, Kilfennan, Lisnagelvin, New Buildings, Park, Victoria
(To be added to)
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Post by therealriga on Sept 8, 2016 11:50:36 GMT
Dalriada is a fairly daft name, partly because of its inherent sectarian associations, partly because it doesn't bear an especially strong relationship to the long-disappeared kingdom and partly because it's just not very descriptive. If we must use the names of minor Irish kingdoms for parliamentary seats, I vote we begin by renaming Newry & Armagh as Airgialla (or if that's too hard for English speakers, you can translate it as 'Hostage-givers', which would at least have the merit of confusing absolutely everybody.) Glenshane isn't too bad, though it probably has more resonance for people driving through the constituency than for the residents. In terms of boundaries, the major problem is not so much that towns are on the edge of seats, it's that towns are both split and on the edge of seats, and that this is totally unnecessary. For example, there's no need for Fermangh & South Tyrone to take in Castlederg, and if you don't do that then you can easily fix Dungannon.
The local government boundary commission in 1991 also proposed creating a Dalriada council, which would merge most of Moyle and Ballymoney, with a few bits in the south east going to Ballymena. The councils in question resisted those changes.
I'd be very sure that that name won't survive any public enquiries, even if the proposed constituency does. We'll likely end up with some Causeway Coast variation or the prosaic "Coleraine and North Antrim."
Regarding Glenshane, that name, like that of the existing Foyle, has obviously been chosen to avoid the Derry/Londonderry name dispute. That's why renaming Foyle to West Londonderry, as someone suggests above, is a non-starter.
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Sept 8, 2016 12:07:13 GMT
Dalriada is a fairly daft name, partly because of its inherent sectarian associations, partly because it doesn't bear an especially strong relationship to the long-disappeared kingdom and partly because it's just not very descriptive. If we must use the names of minor Irish kingdoms for parliamentary seats, I vote we begin by renaming Newry & Armagh as Airgialla (or if that's too hard for English speakers, you can translate it as 'Hostage-givers', which would at least have the merit of confusing absolutely everybody.) Glenshane isn't too bad, though it probably has more resonance for people driving through the constituency than for the residents. In terms of boundaries, the major problem is not so much that towns are on the edge of seats, it's that towns are both split and on the edge of seats, and that this is totally unnecessary. For example, there's no need for Fermangh & South Tyrone to take in Castlederg, and if you don't do that then you can easily fix Dungannon.
The local government boundary commission in 1991 also proposed creating a Dalriada council, which would merge most of Moyle and Ballymoney, with a few bits in the south east going to Ballymena. The councils in question resisted those changes.
I'd be very sure that that name won't survive any public enquiries, even if the proposed constituency does. We'll likely end up with some Causeway Coast variation or the prosaic "Coleraine and North Antrim."
Regarding Glenshane, that name, like that of the existing Foyle, has obviously been chosen to avoid the Derry/Londonderry name dispute. That's why renaming Foyle to West Londonderry, as someone suggests above, is a non-starter.
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Post by YL on Sept 8, 2016 17:39:52 GMT
1. Move Newtownstewart from FST to North Tyrone, as it's on the main road between Strabane and Omagh. (I don't know the area that well, but its inclusion in FST seems odd for that reason.) 2. Move Mullaghbane from North Tyrone to UBB, to avoid splitting Dungannon. This leaves FST at 70,911, below the rest-of-UK lower limit, and I think the approach is to avoid using the extra flexibility unless it's really necessary. How about also moving Caledon from UBB to FST, giving North Tyrone 71,565, FST 73,378 and UBB 73,271? UBB doesn't actually contain the uppermost Bann, so I would prefer "North Armagh & Dungannon" or some such as a name. I suggest gettiing all of both Carryduff and Newtownbreda/Four Winds into Strangford by moving Loughbrickland, Rathfriland and Ballyward from South Down to West Down, then moving all former Down district wards currently in Strangford except Saintfield from there to South Down, and thus moving western Newtownbreda and Carryduff from West Down to Strangford. That gives South Down 75,456, Strangford 72,440 and West Down 73,815. I realise this leaves South Down a bit dumbbell-shaped, but I think its focus is on the coast so this might be OK. (I'd then be tempted to make Strangford, or its successor, more the Belfast suburban seat by swapping Dundonald and the Ards Peninsula between it and North Down. But it looks like I'd need to move a couple of wards in the Holywood area too.) |
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Post by greatkingrat on Sept 8, 2016 18:56:05 GMT
Down South and the Mourne Mountains(70,642) City of Belfast: Gilnahirk, Hillfoot, Shandon, Stormont Lisburn and Castlereagh: Ballyhanwood, Cairnshill, Carrowreagh, Carryduff East, Dundonald, Enler, Galwally, Graham's Bridge, Knockbracken, Moneyreagh, Newtownbreda Newry, Mourne and Down: Ballynahinch, Cathedral, Crossgar and Killyleagh, Derryboy, Drumaness, Kilmore, Knocknashinna, Lecale, Quoile, Saintfield, Strangford North Down and Ards: Ballygowan A seat stretching from Belfast to Downpatrick? Really? Everyone else is debating whether Belfast should have three or four seats, but Harry goes for five. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Sept 8, 2016 19:01:52 GMT
Down South and the Mourne Mountains(70,642) City of Belfast: Gilnahirk, Hillfoot, Shandon, Stormont Lisburn and Castlereagh: Ballyhanwood, Cairnshill, Carrowreagh, Carryduff East, Dundonald, Enler, Galwally, Graham's Bridge, Knockbracken, Moneyreagh, Newtownbreda Newry, Mourne and Down: Ballynahinch, Cathedral, Crossgar and Killyleagh, Derryboy, Drumaness, Kilmore, Knocknashinna, Lecale, Quoile, Saintfield, Strangford North Down and Ards: Ballygowan A seat stretching from Belfast to Downpatrick? Really? Everyone else is debating whether Belfast should have three or four seats, but Harry goes for five. Better than anything north of about Castlewellan being in any seat called 'South Down'. I consider Attical as Mid Down!  |
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