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Post by Foggy on Jul 22, 2016 16:54:23 GMT
Wow, well spotted Adrian!
I like that Liverpool West Derby was the seat to disappear in ASW's proposals, because that's the one with the worst name. (Ancient hundreds be damned!) I'm not sure that 'Vale Royal' is the most appropriate name for a seat that extends far to the south of the former eponymous Borough, mind you.
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jul 27, 2016 0:14:19 GMT
Old Counties Lancashire - 3445579 - 46.158 - 46 - 75026 Cheshire - 1254726 - 16.706 - 17 - 73476   |
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Post by lancastrian on Jul 27, 2016 1:40:10 GMT
Old Counties Lancashire - 3451205 - 46.158 - 46 - 75026 Cheshire - 1249100 - 16.706 - 17 - 73476 Old CountiesBorderIf you're doing this properly a substantial chunk of Cumbria was in Lancashire. Saddleworth, West Craven and roughly the three north-eastern wards of Ribble Valley were in Yorkshire. Mossley I think was in Lancashire, and as part of Manchester wouldn't Wythenshawe have been Lancashire? Likewise Heatons and Reddish with Stockport and Cheshire. There's also Tintwistle, but boundary assistant can't show it and it's barely worth bothering with anyway. |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jul 27, 2016 2:12:56 GMT
Cumberland& Westmorland Cumberland Carlisle 76825 Allerdale & Eden 71415 Copeland 75569 Westmorland Westmorland 72099  |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jul 27, 2016 2:22:12 GMT
Old Counties Lancashire - 3451205 - 46.158 - 46 - 75026 Cheshire - 1249100 - 16.706 - 17 - 73476 If you're doing this properly a substantial chunk of Cumbria was in Lancashire. Saddleworth, West Craven and roughly the three north-eastern wards of Ribble Valley were in Yorkshire. Mossley I think was in Lancashire, and as part of Manchester wouldn't Wythenshawe have been Lancashire? Likewise Heatons and Reddish with Stockport and Cheshire. There's also Tintwistle, but boundary assistant can't show it and it's barely worth bothering with anyway. My reference - England Administrative 1931 Wikipedia Diagram it is amazing (There is also Scotland Administrative 1947 Diagram) From the start, The Furness area of Lancashire has its own seat, which I shall include in my Lancashire Plan Saddleworth, West Craven, Bowland (and you forgot Sassleworth) are in Yorkshire but unless kevinlarkin accepts my request for a cross-region, england-wide redistricting map they shall be included in my Lancashire plans (same as Tintwistle). Wythenshawe was transferred from Cheshire to Lancashire in 1931 to accomodate Urban growth, so my counties are 1930 boundaries So, my Boundaries are CORRECT (apart from Mossley which is only to make the numbers work) |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jul 27, 2016 2:26:10 GMT
Traditional Cheshire Birkenhead 72672 Wallasey 74240 Wirral South 72351 Ellesmere Port 71431 Chester 73939 Runcorn 73495 Vale Royal 71357 Northwich & Winsford 73579 Crewe & Nantwich 71781 Sandbach 74997 Macclesfield & Congleton 76931 Altrincham & Sale 76766 Wythenshawe 75392 Cheadle & Wilmslow 71411 Hazel Grove 75081 Stockport 71080 Stalybridge & Hyde 78223  |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jul 27, 2016 5:32:00 GMT
Traditional Lancashire Furness 78089 Lancaster & Morecambe 76426 Wyre 77266 Cleveleys & Fleetwood 76834 Blackpool 72909 Fylde 74333 Preston 75466 Clitheroe & Nelston 71957 Burnley 77332 Accrington 73484 Blackburn 72816 South Ribble 76405 Chorley 78299 Southport 76108 Skelmersdale & Ormskirk 75654 Crosby & Formby 71163 Liverpool Bootle 77290 Prescot & Kirkby 71693 Liverpool Everton 77050 Liverpool Wavertree 77801 Liverpool Huyton 74673 Liverpool Garston 71762 St Helens North 74383 St Helens South & Whiston 77252 Widnes & Halewood 74025 Warrington 72420 Wigan West 72397 Wigan East 74805 Leigh 74306 Newton-le-Willows 72297 Worsley 74234 Salford, Eccles & Pendlebury 74233 Bolton South 73066 Bolton North & Darwen 72049 Bury North & Rossendale 75373 Bury South 73501 Rochdale 78058 Manchester Prestwich 74093 Heywood & Middleton 75695 Oldham West & Chadderton 77143 Manchester Moston 71420 Manchester Central 77783 Stretford & Urmston 75425 Manchester Withington 76144 Manchester Reddish 74546 Ashton-under-Lyne & Denton 76929 Oldham East, Royton & Saddleworth 77281    |
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Post by Adrian on Jul 27, 2016 8:20:19 GMT
You seem to have a ward that's not in a seat.
Your Vale Royal seat doesn't include Vale Royal. Better to call it Knutsford; it's similar to the old seat of that name.
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jul 27, 2016 8:51:42 GMT
You seem to have a ward that's not in a seat. Your Vale Royal seat doesn't include Vale Royal. Better to call it Knutsford; it's similar to the old seat of that name. What Ward Oh and Knutsford is in Sandbach, Vale Royal is the Turquoise seat |
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Post by greenhert on Jul 27, 2016 10:03:01 GMT
Traditional Lancashire Furness 78089 Lancaster & Morecambe 76426 Wyre 77266 Cleveleys & Fleetwood 76834 Blackpool 72909 Fylde 74333 Preston 75466 Clitheroe & Nelston 71957 Burnley 77332 Accrington 73484 Blackburn 72816 South Ribble 76405 Chorley 78299 Southport 76108 Skelmersdale & Ormskirk 75654 Crosby & Formby 71163 Liverpool Bootle 77290 Prescot & Kirkby 71693 Liverpool Everton 77050 Liverpool Wavertree 77801 Liverpool Huyton 74673 Liverpool Garston 71762 St Helens North 74383 St Helens South & Whiston 77252 Widnes & Halewood 74025 Warrington 72420 Wigan West 72397 Wigan East 74805 Leigh 74306 Newton-le-Willows 72297 Worsley 74234 Salford, Eccles & Pendlebury 74233 Bolton South 73066 Bolton North & Darwen 72049 Bury North & Rossendale 75373 Bury South 73501 Rochdale 78058 Manchester Prestwich 74093 Heywood & Middleton 75695 Oldham West & Chadderton 77143 Manchester Moston 71420 Manchester Central 77783 Stretford & Urmston 75425 Manchester Withington 76144 Manchester Reddish 74546 Ashton-under-Lyne & Denton 76929 Oldham East, Royton & Saddleworth 77281 LancashireLiverpoolManchester
Strictly speaking, Saddleworth was in West Yorkshire, not Lancashire, and before 1983 was part of the Colne Valley parliamentary constituency. It should not have been moved into Greater Manchester at all.
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Post by Adrian on Jul 27, 2016 10:24:22 GMT
You seem to have a ward that's not in a seat. Your Vale Royal seat doesn't include Vale Royal. Better to call it Knutsford; it's similar to the old seat of that name. What Ward Oh and Knutsford is in Sandbach, Vale Royal is the Turquoise seat Oh it should be Eddisbury then. I think the ward is called Carrington - it's near to Sale. |
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Post by Clarko on Jul 27, 2016 11:26:42 GMT
What Ward Oh and Knutsford is in Sandbach, Vale Royal is the Turquoise seat Oh it should be Eddisbury then. I think the ward is called Carrington - it's near to Sale. That's Bucklow-St Martins - It should go with Cheshire, even though half the people there seem to think Partington (which is in the ward) is in Lancashire, for reasons that defy explaination  |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jul 27, 2016 11:54:38 GMT
Traditional Cheshire Birkenhead 72672 Wallasey 74240 Wirral South 72351 Ellesmere Port 71431 Chester 73939 Runcorn 73495 Vale Royal 71357 Northwich & Winsford 73579 Crewe & Nantwich 71781 Sandbach 74997 Macclesfield & Congleton 76931 Altrincham & Sale 76766 Wythenshawe 75392 Cheadle & Wilmslow 71411 Hazel Grove 75081 Stockport 71080 Stalybridge & Hyde 78223 Now with Bucklow-St Martins |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 17:15:15 GMT
Oh it should be Eddisbury then. I think the ward is called Carrington - it's near to Sale. That's Bucklow-St Martins - It should go with Cheshire, even though half the people there seem to think Partington (which is in the ward) is in Lancashire, for reasons that defy explaination Oh Lancashire, is wonderful, oh Lancashire is wonderful.... |
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Post by Clarko on Jul 27, 2016 20:31:11 GMT
That's Bucklow-St Martins - It should go with Cheshire, even though half the people there seem to think Partington (which is in the ward) is in Lancashire, for reasons that defy explaination Oh Lancashire, is wonderful, oh Lancashire is wonderful.... God's own county - I'm just a bit particular about who we let in :-D |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 9:36:30 GMT
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Post by iain on Jul 31, 2016 11:21:56 GMT
Why not properly unite Morecambe and Lancaster, it makes it much nicer. Maybe the North Lancashire seat would be made slightly worse, but it's horrible anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 13:34:34 GMT
Why not properly unite Morecambe and Lancaster, it makes it much nicer. Maybe the North Lancashire seat would be made slightly worse, but it's horrible anyway. I kept trying to add "Morcambe and the bits" with "Lancaster both sides of the river". The numbers aren't helpful to this. If you keep adding bits of Lancaster to Morecambe you hit either a figure above the acceptable quota for both seats (overall) or an unacceptable division of places (generally). I'll keep playing but I'm not sure it's that easy to create a L&M seat that's poperley united. |
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Post by iain on Jul 31, 2016 13:36:34 GMT
Swap the four Lancaster wards with everything north and east of Carnforth
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Post by greenhert on Aug 10, 2016 10:37:58 GMT
Some of my sample constituencies for the North West, starting with Merseyside: 1. Liverpool West Derby: All Liverpool wards currently in the West Derby constituency plus Fazakerley ward. Electorate: 72,921. 2. Liverpool Walton. The Liverpool wards of Anfield, Clubmoor, County, Everton, Warbreck, Old Swan, Kirkdale, and Kensington & Fairfield. Electorate: 78,211. 3. Liverpool Riverside & Wavertree. The Liverpool wards of Central, St Michaels, Mossley Hill, Greenbank, Princes Park, Riverside, Picton, and Wavertree. Electorate: 75,436. 4. Liverpool Garston: The Liverpool wards of Allerton & Hunts Cross, Belle Vale, Childwall, Church, Cressington, Speke-Garston, and Woolton. Electorate: 77,410. 5. Wallasey. All existing wards in Wallasey plus the Wirral ward of Hoylake & Meols. Electorate: 74,240. 6. Birkenhead. All existing wards in Birkenhead plus the Wirral ward of Upton. Electorate: 72,957. 7. Bebington & The Wirral. The Wirral wards of West Kirkby & Thurstaston, Heswall, Pengby & Thingwall, Greasby, Frankby & Irby, Bebington, Clatterbridge, & Bromborough. (The remaining Wirral ward of Eastham will be combined with a redrawn Ellesmere Port & Neston) Electorate: 78,377. 8. Bootle & Crosby Town: The existing constituency of Bootle with the Sefton Central ward of Blundellsands added (which contains the town of Crosby). Electorate: 76,615. 9.Southport. The existing constituency of Southport plus the Harrington ward. Electorate: 74,641. 10. Maghull Valley & Kirkby. The Sefton wards of Ravenmeols, Manor, Park, Sudell, and Molyneux, plus the Knowsley wards of Kirkby Central, Northwood, Shevington, Park, and Whitefield. Electorate: 71,686. 11. Huyton. All remaining wards of Knowsley except Whiston North & Whiston South. Electorate: 75,254. 12. St Helens North. Unchanged from current boundaries. Electorate: 72,060. 13. St Helens South. Unchanged from current boundaries. Electorate: 74,885. Finalised and revised Merseyside proposals of mine:
1. Liverpool North East (78,240). As Liverpool West Derby plus the Liverpool ward of Fazakerley and the Knowsley ward of Swanside (necessary because of the tight electoral parameters). 2. Liverpool North West (78,317). As Liverpool Walton minus the ward of Fazakerley but plus the wards of Kirkdale, Kensington & Fairfield, and Old Swan. 3. Liverpool South West (75,330). The Liverpool wards of Central, St Michael's, Princes Park, Greenbank, Wavertree, Mossley Hill, Picton, and Riverside. 4. Liverpool South East (77,410). The Liverpool wards of Speke-Garston, Childwall, Allerton & Hunts Cross, Belle Vale, Woolton, Church, and Cressington. 5. Southport (74,641). Gains Harrington ward even though as pointed out earlier this splits Formby. 6. Bootle & Crosby (76,615). Gains Blundellsands ward. 7. Maghull & Kirkby (78,110). All Sefton wards not in Southport or Bootle & Crosby, plus the Knowsley wards of Kirkby Central, Cherryfield, Park, Shevington, Northwood, and Whitefield. 8. Huyton (74,189). All Knowsley wards except for Swanside and the Kirkby wards included in Maghull & Kirkby. 9. St Helens North (72,060). Unchanged. 10. St Helens South (75,378). Loses Prescot East and both Whiston wards, gains the Halton wards of Birchfield, Farnworth, and Hough Green. 11. Widnes & Runcorn (76,096). All Halton wards except for Birchfield, Farnworth, and Hough Green (NB: Not strictly part of Merseyside but one of my proposed Merseyside constituencies expands into Halton so I have included it here).
Garston & Halewood disappears, as does Liverpool Wavertree. Finalised Cheshire/Wirral proposals of mine to come in due course.
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