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Post by greatkingrat on May 19, 2016 21:03:57 GMT
Some of those names might best be described as odd.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on May 19, 2016 21:20:29 GMT
East Anglian Lefty, with the modifications you have suggested plus a bit more (e.g. making sure the village of Hethersett is connected in Thetford & Wymondham, and moving the Harston & Hauxton ward into SW Cambridgeshire), this means: Thetford & Diss is changed to Thetford & Wymondham (electorate of 73,548). The old South Norfolk, having lost some wards to Thetford & Wymondham and a few to an expanded Yarmouth constituency, gains some Broadland wards to compensate and becomes South East Norfolk (electorate of 77,598) Yarmouth's electorate is 76,350 in this scenario. Mid Norfolk's new electorate is 76,839 (largest town is still Dereham); Norwich North's new electorate is 78,223, and Norwich South's new electorate is 71,776. Costessey is really to the north of the city of Norwich hence its inclusion in Norwich North. SE Cambridgeshire's electorate is 75,794; SW Cambridgeshire & St Ives's electorate is 75,620; Huntingdon & St Neots' electorate is 76,762; North Huntingdonshire's new electorate is 73,023; other seats are as my revised proposals. NB: A seat still bears the name Westmorland as part of its name (Westmorland & Lonsdale) even though it does not contain the traditional county town and contains parts of what is really Lancashire. North Huntingdonshire's name is actually more justified as what is contained in it was entirely in Huntingdonshire, not Cambridgeshire (and is still either in the Huntingdon district, which has preserved the old county, or the outskirts of Peterborough which were also part of Huntingdonshire before they became absorbed into Peterborough) before the reforms of the 1972 Local Government Act. You started off with a reasonably sensible Norfolk map. You've now created something truly bizarre, for no good reason that I can see. Costessey is a western suburb of Norwich, not a northern one. The major road is Dereham Road, which comes in to Norwich South. You don't get to northern Norwich via Drayton, you take the ring road. So you're wrong on the facts on the ground. But even if you are going to put it in Norwich North, you don't need to piss about putting South Norfolk wards into Yarmouth or extending South Norfolk into Broadland. Remove Old Costessey from South Norfolk and stop there. Just stop. Again, please actually describe your seats in the Cambridge area. I'd be interested to see what you're suggesting, but right now it's anything but clear. Regarding North Huntingdonshire, rather a lot of the land area was historically in Northamptonshire and only in Huntingdonshire for less than a decade. This is actually less than the time the entire seat spent in Cambridgeshire (twenty-three years for about half of it, over forty years for the rest of it.) Huntingdonshire has a historic identity, but at this point it's not a separate identity from Cambridgeshire. |
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Post by krollo on May 19, 2016 21:39:52 GMT
I'm not convinced that'll fly (Whittlesey would kick up a fuss and you've split Werrington into the bargain), but it produces a surprisingly good map in the rest of Cambridgeshire. I'm not sure what you're talking about when you mention the 'Huntingdon urban area', because it's all very clearly in the same seat. The only other complaint I'd make (passing over Suffolk entirely) is that Shipdham-with-Scarning appears to include an area that's basically Dereham and hence ought to be in the same seat as it. Sorry, brain's off. For 'Huntingdon urban area' read 'Huntingdon, St Ives and St Neots' |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on May 19, 2016 23:41:42 GMT
Thought that might be the case. I don't think there's any particular problem in separating them, as they're all distinct units from one another.
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Post by Adrian on May 27, 2016 9:25:54 GMT
Cambs-Norfolk
My Cambridgeshire is similar to Krollo's. The Peterborough seat is basically the old Soke.
Norwich North is mostly "Broadland Urban".
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Post by Adrian on May 27, 2016 20:42:43 GMT
My Suffolk is similar to Krollo's too. At the zombie review I proposed a cracked Ipswich, including wards south of the Orwell, but I can appreciate that those wards should be in a South Suffolk seat. That means I now have a Most-of-Ipswich seat, and a Woodbridge seat including Felixstowe and the other settlements NE of the non-city. That means a big rural seat, which I did think of calling Hartismere, but that'd be confused with Hertsmere, so I've settled on the equally poetic "Eye and Blything". And I really want to call the new mid-Suffolk seat "Stowbury". Could it catch on?
Bedfordshire: there seem to be three possibilities for the Luton region.
1. Luton S; Luton N & Dunstable; Houghton & the rest
2. Luton S; Luton N with a few villages; Dunstable-Houghton-Leighton
3. Luton S; Luton N with Houghton; Dunstable & the rest
Which would the locals prefer?
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Post by islington on Jun 14, 2016 19:55:31 GMT
 EN-A (Beds): 439574 = 5.88 = 6The county retains its present six seats, but quite substantial changes are needed because of the small size of the Luton seats. I'm going along with those arguing that Dunstable is the most logical addition to Luton. BEDFORD - 72777 EAST BEDFORDSHIRE - 71126 SOUTH BEDFORDSHIRE - 74027 WEST BEDFORDSHIRE - 71205 LUTON NORTH AND DUNSTABLE - 77324 LUTON SOUTH - 73115 |
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Post by islington on Jun 15, 2016 7:37:14 GMT
Let us continue ...   EN-B (Cambs, Norfolk): 1200648 = 16.06 = 16 seatsThis area already has 16 seats, but substantial changes are needed because many of the Cambs seats are too big, while some in Norfolk (especially Norwich N) are too small. So there needs to be a general westward shuffling of seats, and I thought the best way to achieve this was to change the map in southern Norfolk as little as possible, but make more substantial alterations in the north of the county. CAMBRIDGE - 72757 NORTH WEST CAMBRIDGESHIRE - 75862 SOUTH EAST CAMBRIDGESHIRE - 76295 SOUTH WEST CAMBRIDGESHIRE - 77504 ELY - 76767 GREAT YARMOUTH - 74170 HUNTINGDON - 71538 KING'S LYNN AND WISBECH - 73652. This is the cross-county seat. I still think this is better than joining Wisbech with Downham Market; it also allows me to retain a SW Norfolk seat without too much alteration, in accordance with my approach of minimizing change in the south of the county. MID NORFOLK - 74676 NORTH NORFOLK - 77045. The entire seat is shifted bodily westward. NORTH EAST NORFOLK - 76853. The successor to Broadland, but much altered. SOUTH NORFOLK - 72454 SOUTH WEST NORFOLK - 73459 NORWICH NORTH - 74948. I've altered my original proposal in the light of helpful comments from EAL. This seat is actually much more Broadland (11 wards) than Norwich (4 wards) but I've kept the name. NORWICH SOUTH - 75061 PETERBOROUGH - 77607 |
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Post by islington on Jun 15, 2016 7:56:41 GMT
And so to Suffolk (not much to see here, tbh)  EN-C (Suffolk): 526217 = 7.04 = 7BURY ST EDMUNDS - 77733 IPSWICH - 76284 LOWESTOFT - 77408. Identical to the current Waveney seat, but I'm trying to get rid of river names. EAST SUFFOLK - 76178. And names like 'Suffolk Coastal'. MID SUFFOLK - 74360. Also, I like consistency so I can't see why it's 'Mid Norfolk' but 'Central Suffolk'. SOUTH SUFFOLK - 71445 WEST SUFFOLK - 72809 This is very much a 'minimum change' approach. Bury St Edmunds is too big and Ipswich too small, and remedying this meant alterations to the C Norfolk seat that lies between them. Everything else is left as is (apart from ward realignment). |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jun 15, 2016 9:21:12 GMT
Your colours aren't the most pleasant on the eyes. Could you use duller shades?
Otherwise, the major point I'd make is the one I have before - St. Ives shouldn't be in SW Cambs unless you're also putting in Fenstanton. Earith Bridge is not a viable connection.
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Post by islington on Jun 15, 2016 16:39:48 GMT
Your colours aren't the most pleasant on the eyes. Could you use duller shades? Otherwise, the major point I'd make is the one I have before - St. Ives shouldn't be in SW Cambs unless you're also putting in Fenstanton. Earith Bridge is not a viable connection. EAL, many thanks for your feedback and for your previous comments. But surely, in this case, there's ready access from St Ives to the rest of the seat via the A14 or the Busway - admittedly both of these would involve transit through another constituency, but I can't see how that would inconvenience anyone. (There are a lot of seats that have this feature - Blackpool & Fleetwood is a notable current example.) Anyway, onward...!  EN-D (Herts): 801230 = 10.72 = 11The main issue here is that the county is very much on the small side for 11 seats and it's a challenge to get everything above the minimum - hence, more orphan wards than one would normally like to see, plus the relatively small district of Three Rivers ends up split between no fewer than five seats. I've gone for an approach that keeps the current basic pattern - there are some more radical plans upthread. BROXBOURNE - 72664. A serious touch of the Gedlings regarding the name, in my opinion, but it's a real place so I'll (reluctantly) go along with it. HEMEL HEMPSTEAD - 74363 HERTFORD AND STORTFORD - 72650 NORTH EAST HERTFORDSHIRE - 72116 SOUTH HERTFORDSHIRE - 74831. 'Hertsmere', by contrast, is an entirely contrived and artificial name. WEST HERTFORDSHIRE - 72404 HITCHIN AND HARPENDEN - 72609 ST ALBANS - 72210 STEVENAGE - 71209 WATFORD - 72878 WELWYN AND HATFIELD - 73296 |
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Post by islington on Jun 15, 2016 17:17:44 GMT
And to complete Eastern region....  EN-E (Essex): 1274597 = 17.05 = 17 seatsLet me start by acknowledging that this plan is substantially based on EAL's excellent proposal upthread. I've made a few changes, but they are marginal. 17 seats is on the large side for a group, and I found it helpful to think of the county as three sub-groups: (i) Epping Forest, Harlow = 155429 = 2.08 = 2; (ii) Braintree, Colchester, Maldon, Tendring, Uttlesford = 446701 = 5.97 = 6; (iii) everything else = 672467 = 8.99 = 9. BASILDON - 71441. This is a huge improvement on the current very clumsy map in this area. BENFLEET - 74488. Not an ideal name but the best I can think of. 'Castle Point' is meaningless and jejune. BILLERICAY - 71760. This could be called 'Mid Essex' because it's a classic of the 'what was left over' genre, but I think it's the best answer to the tricky question of what to do with Billericay once you've created the very appealing Basildon seat above. BRAINTREE - 75132 BRENTWOOD - 74863. Your other problem is what to do with the east Thurrock area. There's no entirely satisfactory home for it, but it has decent comms with Brentwood and on the whole I think this arrangement is preferable to the link with Billericay in Pete Whitehead's plan. (And, after all, Brentwood town is too small to be a seat on its own and it needs extra numbers from somewhere.) CHELMSFORD - 78107. An 'island' seat, completely surrounded by Billericay. COLCHESTER - 72295. Another 'island'. It's remarkable to have two such seats in the same county. I didn't particularly plan it that way, but nor it is something that I'd actively try to avoid. EPPING - 78327. Epping and Harlow are the two natural foci in this west Essex sub-group so I'm keen to keep them in separate seats. NORTH EAST ESSEX - 73462 HARLOW - 77102 HARWICH AND CLACTON - 77200 MALDON AND WITHAM - 75832 RAYLEIGH AND WICKFORD - 76183. Huge thanks to EAL for this one in particular; it's much the best version of this seat. SAFFRON WALDEN - 72780 SOUTHEND EAST AND ROCHFORD - 78335 SOUTHEND WEST - 71355 THURROCK - 75935 |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 15, 2016 17:30:31 GMT
Your colours aren't the most pleasant on the eyes. Could you use duller shades? Otherwise, the major point I'd make is the one I have before - St. Ives shouldn't be in SW Cambs unless you're also putting in Fenstanton. Earith Bridge is not a viable connection. EAL, many thanks for your feedback and for your previous comments. But surely, in this case, there's ready access from St Ives to the rest of the seat via the A14 or the Busway - admittedly both of these would involve transit through another constituency, but I can't see how that would inconvenience anyone. (There are a lot of seats that have this feature - Blackpool & Fleetwood is a notable current example.) Anyway, onward...! EN-D (Herts): 801230 = 10.72 = 11The main issue here is that the county is very much on the small side for 11 seats and it's a challenge to get everything above the minimum - hence, more orphan wards than one would normally like to see, plus the relatively small district of Three Rivers ends up split between no fewer than five seats. I've gone for an approach that keeps the current basic pattern - there are some more radical plans upthread. BROXBOURNE - 72664. A serious touch of the Gedlings regarding the name, in my opinion, but it's a real place so I'll (reluctantly) go along with it. HEMEL HEMPSTEAD - 74363 HERTFORD AND STORTFORD - 72650 NORTH EAST HERTFORDSHIRE - 72116 SOUTH HERTFORDSHIRE - 74831. 'Hertsmere', by contrast, is an entirely contrived and artificial name. WEST HERTFORDSHIRE - 72404 HITCHIN AND HARPENDEN - 72609 ST ALBANS - 72210 STEVENAGE - 71209 WATFORD - 72878 WELWYN AND HATFIELD - 73296 This is identical to my final plan for Hertfordshire which I had posted somewhere on here but either was on a different thread or it has been deleted  |
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Post by islington on Jun 15, 2016 17:59:13 GMT
Yes, I should have acknowledged this. Sorry.
I think I may have swapped a couple of wards between Stevenage and NE Herts but this is essentially Pete Whitehead's plan.
My aim in posting these maps is to summarize where I've got to in this boundary-drawing exercise; I'm not claiming that everything I post is original and I'm certainly not trying to take credit for the many excellent ideas put forward by Pete Whitehead and others.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 15, 2016 18:03:00 GMT
No that's fine - but if you can tell me where my post is I'd be grateful. I can't even find the map on photobucket so think I'm going mad
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Post by islington on Jun 16, 2016 9:23:21 GMT
Pete
We had a brief discussion on 18 Apr but I don't recall your posting a map at that stage (although I reposted your earlier map from 24 Feb).
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jun 22, 2016 20:41:27 GMT
Your colours aren't the most pleasant on the eyes. Could you use duller shades? Otherwise, the major point I'd make is the one I have before - St. Ives shouldn't be in SW Cambs unless you're also putting in Fenstanton. Earith Bridge is not a viable connection. EAL, many thanks for your feedback and for your previous comments. But surely, in this case, there's ready access from St Ives to the rest of the seat via the A14 or the Busway - admittedly both of these would involve transit through another constituency, but I can't see how that would inconvenience anyone. (There are a lot of seats that have this feature - Blackpool & Fleetwood is a notable current example.) And Lancaster & Fleetwood is regularly cited as a terrible constituency. Harwich & North Essex is another example that gets rather less attention, but is also distinctly sub-optimal, so it's something I perhaps feel a little more strongly than others. I don't think you can use the busway as evidence of community links. I'm fond of it, but I suspect most of those using it are commuting between Cambridge and the closer-in stops and it's much less used at weekends or outside work hours. It's an indication of economic links between St Ives and Cambridge, but it doesn't demonstrate shared identity between St Ives and Cambridge's satellite villages. I can tell you from personal experience that people in Willingham and Longstanton don't use it to get to St Ives. The A14 is definitely a strong link, but that applies even more for Fenstanton than it does for St Ives. I don't think there's any problem with St Ives in a Cambridge-facing seat. I just think that if you're going to do that, you ought to include Fenstanton and it isn't difficult to do so. |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 23, 2016 2:06:20 GMT
Hertfordshire Minimum Change
South West Hertfordshire 72404
Hemel Hempstead 73526
Watford 72878
Hertsmere 74831
St Albans 72916
Welwyn Hatfield 71527
Broxbourne 72664
Hitchin & Harpenden 71690
Stevenage 72347
Hertford & Stortford 72539
North East Hertfordshire 73908
Hertfordshire Radical Change
Hertfordshire South West 72404
Hemel Hempstead 73526
Watford 73567
Hertsmere 75274
St Albans & Harpenden 71636
Welwyn Hatfield 72450
Cheshunt 73464
Hitchin & Letchworth 71767
Stevenage 72347
Hertford & Broxbourne 72077
North East Hertfordshire 72718
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 23, 2016 2:12:27 GMT
Suffolk Waveney 78220 Suffolk Coastal 74449 Mid Suffolk 75295 Bury St Edmunds 72493 Forest Heath 72967 Ipswich 76284 Babergh 76509  |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 23, 2016 2:15:30 GMT
Bedfordshire North Bedfordshire 73899 Bedford 73269 Central Bedfordshire 75638 Dunstable 71976 North Luton 72911 South Luton 71881  |
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