Harry Hayfield
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Apr 27, 2016 15:28:13 GMT
I've created two seats so far. The names are very much works in progress:
Galloway and Dumfries West: STRANRAER AND NORTH RHINS, WIGTOWN WEST, MID GALLOWAY, DEE, CASTLE DOUGLAS AND GLENKENS, ABBEY, NORTH WEST DUMFRIES,
MID AND UPPER NITHSDALE, LOCHAR (Electorate: 73,566)
Dumfriesshire East and Western Scottish Borders: NITH, ANNANDALE SOUTH, ANNANDALE NORTH, ANNANDALE EAST (from Dumfries and Galloway) and TWEEDDALE WEST, TWEEDDALE EAST, JEDBURGH & DISTRICT, HAWICK & DENHOLM, HAWICK & HERMITAGE (Electorate: 72,946)
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iain
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Post by iain on Apr 27, 2016 15:53:31 GMT
I've created two seats so far. The names are very much works in progress: Galloway and Dumfries West: STRANRAER AND NORTH RHINS, WIGTOWN WEST, MID GALLOWAY, DEE, CASTLE DOUGLAS AND GLENKENS, ABBEY, NORTH WEST DUMFRIES, MID AND UPPER NITHSDALE, LOCHAR (Electorate: 73,566) Dumfriesshire East and Western Scottish Borders: NITH, ANNANDALE SOUTH, ANNANDALE NORTH, ANNANDALE EAST (from Dumfries and Galloway) and TWEEDDALE WEST, TWEEDDALE EAST, JEDBURGH & DISTRICT, HAWICK & DENHOLM, HAWICK & HERMITAGE (Electorate: 72,946) That would cause an awful mess in the rest of Scottish Borders, Midlothian, East Lothian and Ayrshire. Don't bother trying to reason with Harry. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 17:18:45 GMT
Edinburgh + West/Mid Lothian + Borders ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 17:24:36 GMT
That would cause an awful mess in the rest of Scottish Borders, Midlothian, East Lothian and Ayrshire. Don't bother trying to reason with Harry. I'm going to demand that second seat is named "Tweedale and Annandale" |
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Post by lennon on Apr 27, 2016 17:26:43 GMT
Don't bother trying to reason with Harry. I'm going to demand that second seat is named "Tweedale and Annandale" Surely "Dales of Twee and Annan" No? |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Apr 27, 2016 17:30:45 GMT
I've created two seats so far. The names are very much works in progress: Galloway and Dumfries West: STRANRAER AND NORTH RHINS, WIGTOWN WEST, MID GALLOWAY, DEE, CASTLE DOUGLAS AND GLENKENS, ABBEY, NORTH WEST DUMFRIES, MID AND UPPER NITHSDALE, LOCHAR (Electorate: 73,566) Dumfriesshire East and Western Scottish Borders: NITH, ANNANDALE SOUTH, ANNANDALE NORTH, ANNANDALE EAST (from Dumfries and Galloway) and TWEEDDALE WEST, TWEEDDALE EAST, JEDBURGH & DISTRICT, HAWICK & DENHOLM, HAWICK & HERMITAGE (Electorate: 72,946) That would cause an awful mess in the rest of Scottish Borders, Midlothian, East Lothian and Ayrshire. I will need to wait for Plan Builder to get things exact, but I am planning a "Galloway and South Ayrshire" seat along with a very tight urban coastal "Irvine West and Ayr" seat. |
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piperdave
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Post by piperdave on Apr 27, 2016 18:05:54 GMT
I've come up with a different set of review areas from ntyuk1707 so I offer them up as an alternative to get shouted down! I haven't looked at individual constituency plans as yet. I'm not entirely happy with the north-east grouping but it's not easy up there so just have to go with it for now. And Forth Valley is squeaking in on the low side but should be just viable. I hope there will only be two pieces of substantial pitchfork bait in my eventual plan. These are likely to be a West Fife/Kinross constituency and an Inverclyde/North Ayrshire constituency. Review Area
| Combined
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entitlement
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allocation
| Argyll & Bute, Highland, Moray
| 307,418 | 4.11 | 4 | Aberdeen City
| 150,235 | 2.01 | 2
| Aberdeenshire, Angus, Dundee City, Fife, Perth & Kinross
| 773,216 | 10.34 | 10 | Clackmannanshire, Falkirk, Stirling
| 216,111
| 2.89 | 3
| East Dunbartonshire, West Dunbartonshire
| 148,852 | 1.99
| 2
| Glasgow City
| 446,353 | 5.97 | 6
| East Ayrshire, East Renfrewshire, Inverclyde,
North Ayrshire, Renfrewshire, South Ayrshire
| 525,854 | 7.03 | 7 | Dumfries & Galloway, North Lanarkshire, South Lanarkshire
| 606,971 | 8.12 | 8 | City of Edinburgh, West Lothian
| 456,507 | 6.11 | 6 | East Lothian
| 76,153 | 1.02 | 1 | Midlothian, Scottish Borders
| 150,636 | 2.01 | 2 |
Orkney & Shetland and Na h-Eileanan an Iar constituencies are preserved and therefore not necessary to consider as part of the review. |
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Post by islington on Apr 27, 2016 19:16:07 GMT
Or:
Fife and Clackmannan = 305128 = 4.08 = 4 seats
Aberdeenshire, Angus, Dundee, Perth & Kinross, Falkirk, Stirling = 684199 = 9.15 = 9 seats
With all the rest as piperdave has them.
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Apr 27, 2016 19:44:39 GMT
Would it be too much pitchfork bait to include Musselburgh in with Edinburgh? When my mother was growing up there she says it always felt like just an extension of Edinburgh, and it did used to be in Midlothian/Edinburghshire.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Apr 27, 2016 19:47:44 GMT
It's in an Edinburgh seat at Holyrood, but as East Lothian is the right size for one seat I can't see the same happening for Westminster this time.
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piperdave
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Post by piperdave on Apr 27, 2016 20:34:15 GMT
Review areas in Highland, Argyll & Bute and West Dunbartonshire and Aberdeenshire, Angus, Moray and Dundee work well together. I'm having a tough time sticking to the rules in Stirling without splitting the town into two constituencies. I'm not  |
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piperdave
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Post by piperdave on Apr 27, 2016 20:47:09 GMT
Would it be too much pitchfork bait to include Musselburgh in with Edinburgh? When my mother was growing up there she says it always felt like just an extension of Edinburgh, and it did used to be in Midlothian/Edinburghshire. As already said, East Lothian is the perfect size and I expect the Commission will respect the integrity of the local authority boundaries here. My efforts have the Almond ward of Edinburgh being attached to a Linlithgow constituency (more or less everything north of the motorway in West Lothian). Much of this area was in Linlithgowshire once upon a moon. Livingston takes the south side of the motorway. To finish off, Midlothian plus Tweeddale West (yes, it is the Dale of Tweed, not Twee) and the part of Peebles in Tweeddale East should get you a seat within quota. The remainder of the Borders makes a seat on its own. For Edinburgh, I'm currently working with: Edinburgh West (Drum Brae/Gyle, Corstorphine/Murrayfield, Inverleith, Forth) - slightly over quota so lose some to Edinburgh East & Leith Edinburgh East & Leith (Leith, Leith Walk, Craigentinny/Duddinston, Portobello/Craigmillar) Edinburgh Pentlands (Pentland Hills, Colinton/Fairmilehead, Sighthill/Gorgie, Fountainbridge/Craiglockhart) Edinburgh South (Morningside/Meadows, Liberton/Gilmerton, City Centre, Southside/Newington) - needs to lose a small amount either to East or Pentlands. |
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piperdave
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Post by piperdave on Apr 27, 2016 21:05:47 GMT
I'm not Is there any way to do it beyond moving into Falkirk from Clackmannanshire (no direct road connection) or creating an abhorrent seat around Clackmannanshire and rural Stirling (ie. all none Stirling town wards)? In a word, no. My seat is Clackmannan and Grangemouth so Clackmannanshire plus Grangemouth, Bo'ness & Blackness and Carse, Kinnaird & Tryst. The constituency is technically contiguous, but you are right that the only direct road link is the Clackmannanshire Bridge. Perhaps we'll get a LGBC revivew that moves the boundary of Fife and Clacks to between the two bridges. The Denny and Stoneywood area is added to the whole Stirling Council area to make up the numbers (hopefully enough). The remainder of Falkirk becomes a constituency with the addition of the Stenhousmuir area to get it just into the acceptable range. All three of these seats are going to be at the lower end of the range. |
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piperdave
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Post by piperdave on Apr 27, 2016 22:40:10 GMT
I hadn't intended to do all the constituencies tonight but I'm pretty much there now. However, I have changed my review areas as suggested so Fife is now paired with Clacks and Falkirk and Stirling is added to the north east.
That's given me a Falkirk & Grangemouth constituency, a Stirling seat (which is the town, the southern plains and the towns north and west of Falkirk, a 'Perthshire South' seat including rural Stirling, Dunblane, Kinross and south Perthshire. Perthshire is particularly awful under this combo.
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Apr 27, 2016 22:47:11 GMT
That's given me a Falkirk & Grangemouth constituency, a Stirling seat (which is the town, the southern plains and the towns north and west of Falkirk, a 'Perthshire South' seat including rural Stirling, Dunblane, Kinross and south Perthshire. Perthshire is particularly awful under this combo. I used to live in Bridge of Allan. Is that Stirling town or rural Stirling? When I was there "the town" was what was south of the river. |
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Post by YL on Apr 28, 2016 18:31:29 GMT
I was playing with Highland, Moray and Argyll & Bute, and think I've pretty much just re-created the zombie review's proposals. Moray & Nairn is the obvious thing to do, and is close to the upper limit, but just still works (78,477). Argyll & Bute needs to gain southern Lochaber; as far as its own electorate is concerned it could just take Fort William & Ardnamurchan ward but that splits the Fort William urban area and also leaves the rest of Highland on the high side for two seats in an area which could run into problems with the area limit, so it makes sense to follow the zombie review and add some of Caol & Mallaig ward (probably more than the zombie review, taking Corpach/Banavie as well as Caol, but there's not enough room for the whole ward).
Then split the rest into Inverness & Skye and Caithness, Sutherland & Ross seats. The zombie review's split probably still works if enough of Caol & Mallaig has gone into the Argyll-based seat.
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piperdave
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Post by piperdave on Apr 28, 2016 21:00:50 GMT
That's given me a Falkirk & Grangemouth constituency, a Stirling seat (which is the town, the southern plains and the towns north and west of Falkirk, a 'Perthshire South' seat including rural Stirling, Dunblane, Kinross and south Perthshire. Perthshire is particularly awful under this combo. I used to live in Bridge of Allan. Is that Stirling town or rural Stirling? When I was there "the town" was what was south of the river. For my purposes, it is into South Perthshire with Dunblane. Dunblane having been in Perthshire prior to the 1974 reorganisation. Stirling East, West and Castle wards with Bannockburn are the Stirling Council portion of my Stirling constituency. |
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piperdave
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Post by piperdave on Apr 28, 2016 21:24:39 GMT
I hadn't intended to do all the constituencies tonight but I'm pretty much there now. However, I have changed my review areas as suggested so Fife is now paired with Clacks and Falkirk and Stirling is added to the north east. That's given me a Falkirk & Grangemouth constituency, a Stirling seat (which is the town, the southern plains and the towns north and west of Falkirk, a 'Perthshire South' seat including rural Stirling, Dunblane, Kinross and south Perthshire. Perthshire is particularly awful under this combo. Arrangements for Ayrshire? The review area is Ayrshire and Renfrewshire with a seat allocation of 7 so here we go: Constituency
| Composition | Electorate | Quota | Renfrewshire East
| East Renfrewshire Council plus Johnstone South et al (minus Howwood)
| c. 78,000
| 104.32% | Paisley & Renfrew
| All Paisley wards, both Renfrew wards, Inchinnan part of Erskine & Inchinnan (c. 8,000)
| c. 76,700
| 102.58% | Renfrewshire West
| Johnstone North et al, Houston et al, Bishopton et al, part of Erskine Inchinnan (Erskine c. 4,000), part of Johnstone South et al (Howwood), Inverclyde East, East Central, North and South
| c. 76,300
| 102.05% | Clyde Coast
| Inverclyde West and South West, Saltcoats & Stevenson, Ardrossan & Arran, Dalry & West Kilbride, Kilbirnie & Beith, North Coast & Cumbraes
| 76827 | 102.75% | Ayrshire Central
| Irvine East and West, Kilwinning, Troon, Prestwick, Kyle
| 74862 | 100.12% | Ayrshire East
| Annick, all Kilmarnock wards, Irvine Valley and Ballochmyle
| 71101 | 95.09% | Ayrshire South
| All Ayr wards, Maybole et al, Girvan & south Carrick, Cumnock & New Cumnock, Doon Valley
| 72079 | 96.40% |
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Post by islington on Apr 29, 2016 9:53:54 GMT
Ntyuk –
Nice plan.
At a first bash, I managed Glasgow with only two ward splits, Edinburgh with one, and Aberdeen without any.
I’m waiting (as patiently as I can) for Plan Builder before I tackle it properly.
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iain
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Post by iain on Apr 29, 2016 16:14:05 GMT
Looking at the Highlands:
72,352 - 'Caithness, Sutherland, Ross & Skye' - The 7 wards that (approximately) make up CSER plus Dingwall & Seaforth, Wester Ross and Eilean a' Cheò
76,558 - 'Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch & Strathspey' - The 9 wards that (approximately) make up INBS plus Black Isle
76,518 - 'Argyll, Bute & Lochaber' - Argyll & Bute, plus Caol & Mallaig and Fort William & Adnarmurchan, minus Helensburgh & Lomond South
72,650 - 'West Dunbartonshire' - the council area plus Helensburgh & Lomond South
Looks like it probably wouldn't be possible to unite Helensburgh through ward splitting?
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