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Post by finsobruce on Jan 14, 2016 0:08:04 GMT
I do wonder sometimes if anyone at HQ (and I don't just mean under Corbyn before anyone jumps in....) pays attention to council by-elections and checks up if there is going to be a candidate, if any help could be given to the CLP etc, etc. Obviously there are occasions when no-one can be persuaded even on a paper basis or it is decided not to waste the money, but I'm sure there are more gaps than there need to be.... But standing a paper candidate at council level costs no money at all... I was assuming one leaflet. Even a paper candidate should put out one bit of paper.... |
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Post by maxque on Jan 14, 2016 3:16:43 GMT
The CPA candidate blog has "wonderful" posts, as UK needing more homophobia to save kids.
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Post by La Fontaine on Jan 14, 2016 8:33:02 GMT
But standing a paper candidate at council level costs no money at all... I was assuming one leaflet. Even a paper candidate should put out one bit of paper.... "Paper candidate" surely just means "on the ballot paper." There are dozens of such candidates in Gateshead every local election. Just one leaflet costs money and then it has to be delivered. Even Labour pays for delivery in some wards. We will see whether the influx of new members changes that. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 14, 2016 17:07:31 GMT
The CPA candidate blog has "wonderful" posts, as UK needing more homophobia to save kids. I bet there was plenty of homophobia amongst the Rochdale offenders... |
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Post by timmullen1 on Jan 14, 2016 22:40:49 GMT
Plenty of those new members will have no intention of standing, leafleting or even signing nomination papers for a candidate, mind! Â Twas ever thus. That I know, but still had a chance to fly the flag. Don't forget that technically you need to have been a member for a period of time (from memory it's a year, but I wouldn't bet on my memory being accurate) before you can apply to be a candidate; although that can be waived in special circumstances, unless you had someone absolutely desperate to stand here, I doubt whether this would qualify as such. Additionally, given the admitted geographic imbalance of the new members, they may not have been overly prevalent in this part of Cornwall. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 23:05:59 GMT
I do wonder sometimes if anyone at HQ (and I don't just mean under Corbyn before anyone jumps in....) pays attention to council by-elections and checks up if there is going to be a candidate, if any help could be given to the CLP etc, etc. Obviously there are occasions when no-one can be persuaded even on a paper basis or it is decided not to waste the money, but I'm sure there are more gaps than there need to be.... I keep close eyes on Cornwall and there was certainly a stated intention to run a candidate. Lots of new members in North Cornwall too. Susan Alfar ran locally in the past, but it all went quiet. Very surprising and short-sighted. Really? Probably the weakest labour seat in GB .. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 14, 2016 23:15:53 GMT
is it counting tonight?
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Post by greenhert on Jan 14, 2016 23:16:09 GMT
I keep close eyes on Cornwall and there was certainly a stated intention to run a candidate. Lots of new members in North Cornwall too. Susan Alfar ran locally in the past, but it all went quiet. Very surprising and short-sighted. Really? Probably the weakest labour seat in GB .. North Cornwall is definitely (not just probably) the weakest seat for Labour in Great Britain historically and at present. Labour only stood twice in North Cornwall (in 1929 and 1931; they finished a poor third on both occasions) before the 1950 general election, and under the old rules they lost their deposit in North Cornwall eight times consecutively (specifically in every general election from 1955 until 1983 inclusive), and they did so again in 2010 under the new threshold, with North Cornwall being their second worst result in the 2010 general election. (Tim Farron's squeezing of Labour voters explains their even worse result of 2.2% in Westmorland and Lonsdale at the same election) Labour have also never finished second here, or come even close to finishing second (nearby Bodmin/South East Cornwall tells a very similar tale, if not quite as bad for Labour). |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 14, 2016 23:21:28 GMT
Really? Probably the weakest labour seat in GB .. North Cornwall is definitely (not just probably) the weakest seat for Labour in Great Britain historically and at present. Labour did not even field an official candidate in North Cornwall until the 1950 general election, and under the old rules they lost their deposit in North Cornwall eight times consecutively (specifically in every general election from 1955 until 1983 inclusive), and they did so again in 2010 under the new threshold, with North Cornwall being their second worst result in the 2010 general election. (Tim Farron's squeezing of Labour voters explains their even worse result of 2.2% in Westmorland and Lonsdale at the same election) Labour have also never finished second here, or come even close to finishing second (nearby Bodmin/South East Cornwall tells a very similar tale, if not quite as bad for Labour). I wonder why that is? It is not markedly better off even than average. It had some mining and low paid agricultural heritage. Bodmin looks the sort of place that would be strongly Labour. |
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Post by maxque on Jan 14, 2016 23:27:51 GMT
Cornwall Greens said on Twitter than the count is under way. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 14, 2016 23:28:22 GMT
Really? Probably the weakest labour seat in GB .. North Cornwall is definitely (not just probably) the weakest seat for Labour in Great Britain historically and at present. Labour did not even field an official candidate in North Cornwall until the 1950 general election, Labour stood a candidate in both 1929 ( F E Church) and 1931 (Alfred Bennett). And (as you hint) there was an "Independent" Labour candidate in a wartime by-election. And of course, the Liberal MP Thomas Horabin took the Labour whip after 1947 - standing in Exeter in the 1950 general election. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 14, 2016 23:32:10 GMT
In America this would be termed the Boondocks and it seems to attract appropriate (or inappropriate) representative to match. The town is a famous and much recorded perfect example of township directly caused by the need for civilian/domestic support to a large castle and garrison. That was the sole reason for it being there at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 23:42:10 GMT
Really? Probably the weakest labour seat in GB .. North Cornwall is definitely (not just probably) the weakest seat for Labour in Great Britain historically and at present. Labour did not even field an official candidate in North Cornwall until the 1950 general election, and under the old rules they lost their deposit in North Cornwall eight times consecutively (specifically in every general election from 1955 until 1983 inclusive), and they did so again in 2010 under the new threshold, with North Cornwall being their second worst result in the 2010 general election. (Tim Farron's squeezing of Labour voters explains their even worse result of 2.2% in Westmorland and Lonsdale at the same election) Labour have also never finished second here, or come even close to finishing second (nearby Bodmin/South East Cornwall tells a very similar tale, if not quite as bad for Labour). Well, l used probably because labour did worse in WAK at the last election. |
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Post by greenhert on Jan 14, 2016 23:44:58 GMT
North Cornwall is definitely (not just probably) the weakest seat for Labour in Great Britain historically and at present. Labour did not even field an official candidate in North Cornwall until the 1950 general election, and under the old rules they lost their deposit in North Cornwall eight times consecutively (specifically in every general election from 1955 until 1983 inclusive), and they did so again in 2010 under the new threshold, with North Cornwall being their second worst result in the 2010 general election. (Tim Farron's squeezing of Labour voters explains their even worse result of 2.2% in Westmorland and Lonsdale at the same election) Labour have also never finished second here, or come even close to finishing second (nearby Bodmin/South East Cornwall tells a very similar tale, if not quite as bad for Labour). Well, l used probably because labour did worse in WAK at the last election. They also lost their deposits in Berwickshire, Roxburgh & Selkirk (4.9%) and also Ross, Skye & Lochaber (4.9%) in addition to West Aberdeenshire & Kincardine (the only 3 constituencies where Labour lost their deposit in 2015). However this was due to the heavy and historic SNP squeeze. In some English constituencies however Labour have always been very weak even during the 1950s where the Liberals were at their nadir. |
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Post by maxque on Jan 14, 2016 23:55:48 GMT
Launceston:
LD 515 (63.0%; -7.8)
Con 226 (27.6%; +10.4)
Grn 65 (7.9%; +7.9)
CPA 12 (1.5%; +1.5)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 0:57:02 GMT
I keep close eyes on Cornwall and there was certainly a stated intention to run a candidate. Lots of new members in North Cornwall too. Susan Alfar ran locally in the past, but it all went quiet. Very surprising and short-sighted. Really? Probably the weakest labour seat in GB .. Yes, quite a leap in members, apparently. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 15, 2016 7:44:40 GMT
Really? Probably the weakest labour seat in GB .. Yes, quite a leap in members, apparently. That means all of Labour's voters there are now members  |
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Post by marksenior on Jan 15, 2016 9:24:23 GMT
Really? Probably the weakest labour seat in GB .. Yes, quite a leap in members, apparently. Probably lots of Lib Dems and Tories joining Labour to make sure Corbyn stays as leader !!! |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 15, 2016 10:54:49 GMT
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 15, 2016 11:04:12 GMT
That I know, but still had a chance to fly the flag. Don't forget that technically you need to have been a member for a period of time (from memory it's a year, but I wouldn't bet on my memory being accurate) before you can apply to be a candidate; although that can be waived in special circumstances, unless you had someone absolutely desperate to stand here, I doubt whether this would qualify as such. Additionally, given the admitted geographic imbalance of the new members, they may not have been overly prevalent in this part of Cornwall. I think it would definitely qualify as special circumstances - occasionally it is used where there is somebody a party really wants as a candidate who they've only just persuaded to join, but mostly the special circumstances are that there wouldn't be a candidate otherwise. |
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