peterl
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Post by peterl on Oct 23, 2015 13:43:43 GMT
It sure would get confusing at election time. "I used to live in Bournemouth East, but now I'm in the England 55th District."  The wider range of elected offices would be interesting. Would so many people stand for council when you can run for everything from dog-catcher to district attorney? Definite plus would be England would get its own state legislature (an English Parliament at last), while that shower at Westminster would be disbanded. And we'd have to leave the EU of course. Things are looking up!  |
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Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Oct 23, 2015 13:48:10 GMT
We could start a second American Civil War over Scottish secession |
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 23, 2015 16:16:40 GMT
It sure would get confusing at election time. "I used to live in Bournemouth East, but now I'm in the England 55th District." The wider range of elected offices would be interesting. Would so many people stand for council when you can run for everything from dog-catcher to district attorney? That's a state decision, and in some states a county decision. Some states have moved away from elected "civil servants" to appointing them. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jun 8, 2020 19:17:06 GMT
The reality of what would happen politically would depend on how willingly we joined.
I can see a party wanting independence for England or the UK doing well at elections.
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Post by therealriga on Jun 8, 2020 19:40:04 GMT
Better in this "never gonna happen" scenario would be for English regions to become states.
Currently there is one senator for every 3.28 million people in the USA, so if you apply the same ratio to the UK it should have 20.7 senators. Tweak the nine English regions and you have 12 UK based states with England having a much louder voice in the Senate.
A precondition of joining should be that Congressional districts have to have names. None of this "East of England's 4th district" nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 21:30:49 GMT
Better in this "never gonna happen" scenario would be for English regions to become states. Currently there is one senator for every 3.28 million people in the USA, so if you apply the same ratio to the UK it should have 20.7 senators. Tweak the nine English regions and you have 12 UK based states with England having a much louder voice in the Senate. A precondition of joining should be that Congressional districts have to have names. None of this "East of England's 4th district" nonsense. Ah but the size of the districts would make the names incredibly long and cumbersome. The numbered districts are not nonsense if you think about the sheer amount of population centres within each one. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 8, 2020 21:48:16 GMT
How many CongressionaL districts would the UK qualify for, based I suppose on the last census (and assuming the size of Congress is increased proportionately so that the current 50 States retain 435)?
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Post by therealriga on Jun 9, 2020 5:08:15 GMT
How many CongressionaL districts would the UK qualify for, based I suppose on the last census (and assuming the size of Congress is increased proportionately so that the current 50 States retain 435)? There's a small lag problem, since the last US census was in 2010 and the UK one in 2011, but using the figures from both gives 89.02 seats for the UK in an expanded Congress. If you use 2020 population estimates for both countries, 89.21 seats. So 89 seems the answer. That would give a population of 762,764 per UK district on 2020 estimates. Reduce that proportionately and it would be 74 seats in a 435-member transatlantic Congress. A district population of 918,824. |
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Post by therealriga on Jun 9, 2020 5:13:39 GMT
Better in this "never gonna happen" scenario would be for English regions to become states. Currently there is one senator for every 3.28 million people in the USA, so if you apply the same ratio to the UK it should have 20.7 senators. Tweak the nine English regions and you have 12 UK based states with England having a much louder voice in the Senate. A precondition of joining should be that Congressional districts have to have names. None of this "East of England's 4th district" nonsense. Ah but the size of the districts would make the names incredibly long and cumbersome. The numbered districts are not nonsense if you think about the sheer amount of population centres within each one. Why should it? If you had 82 UK Congressional districts, that's very close to the number of single-member European parliament constituencies that Great Britain had pre-1999 (78 before 1994 and 84 after that, NI had 3 more using STV.) All those had proper names, not numbers. You would use county names in most cases given the size. The only obstacle to that would be if England's state legislature(s) followed the US practice of gerrymandering. Again, ensure that there's a more impartial boundary commission, same as now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 5:14:21 GMT
Ah but the size of the districts would make the names incredibly long and cumbersome. The numbered districts are not nonsense if you think about the sheer amount of population centres within each one. Why should it? If you had 82 UK Congressional districts, that's very close to the number of single-member European parliament constituencies that Great Britain had pre-1999 (78 before 1994 and 84 after that, NI had 3 more using STV.) All those had names. You would use county names in most cases given the size. A fair point. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 9, 2020 6:44:13 GMT
That's the next Boundary Assistant project sorted then
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 9, 2020 9:38:38 GMT
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Post by trekett on Aug 15, 2021 20:15:57 GMT
The U.S.A. will have its work cut out just keeping itself together, let alone absorbing the UK.
Besides, one would have to look farther north for a political union i.e. CANZUK
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