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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 16:28:35 GMT
Or too put it another way john07 they have already been abolished. Fife Libraries have gone, now a trust. They had better be careful as the Carnegie Foundation are looking for the parks and buildings they donated in the past just to ensure they have not been sold off or missused.
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Post by greenhert on Oct 10, 2015 23:34:30 GMT
On point 1, I presume that lack of connection partly explains why there has never been a unified 'Mendip' parliamentary constituency (e.g. 'Frome and Glastonbury).
On point 2, similar things could definitely be said for other mainly rural unitary authorities (Cornwall, Shropshire, Northumberland, and Durham) that should not have been created in the first place.
I guess you're not familiar with the boundaries of the Wells seat prior to 1983 then ?
You have a point there, actually-the 1950-1983 boundaries of Wells consisted of all the urban districts/rural districts that were integrated into Mendip District Council. Its electorate in 1979 was not that high, but because of major changes to Somerset's boundaries and the fact the neighbouring Yeovil constituency of the time had too high an electorate at the time, the Wells constituency boundaries got quite distorted in 1983.
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Post by iainbhx on Oct 11, 2015 5:25:27 GMT
How about Solihull. It appears to be a mixture of stuff that hadn't gone into Birmingham or Coventry. I would be tempted to put Meriden and Berkswell into Coventry. I don't want to add any more territory to Birmingham as it already way oversize for an authority. I haven't got much idea what to do with the rest. The Silhillians are preparing the wicker-man for you as I write. One advantage of a GroßBirmingham is that it could probably be devolved better than the current facade (or the one that preceded it). Obviously, Birmingham gets The Wood, which Solihull has been trying to palm off on Birmingham for 40 years, but it should also get the BBP/NEC/Airport as compensation. The more rural bits can go back into Warwickshire, which makes Coventry an island which I suspect they'd quite like. It's what to do with Solihull proper and Shirley that is the question, the obvious answer is Birmingham. As it is for bits of the people's republic east of the M5. That's me stuffed if I ever move across Gospel Lane.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Oct 11, 2015 12:30:09 GMT
Yes, putting the Meriden Gap back into Warwickshire and making Coventry a UA seems logical. Then I'd merge North Warwickshire and Nuneaton & Bedworth into one UA and the rest of the county into a South Warwickshire UA.
For Essex, I'd merge Colchester and Tendring (unless the trend is towards really big unitaries, in which case I'd also chuck in Ipswich, the east of Babergh and the south of Suffolk Coastal.) Thurrock could take Basildon south of the A127, Southend could take Rochford district and Castle Point could go with either.
The north of Basildon district could go with Brentwood, Chelmsford and Maldon into a new Mid Essex authority, Harlow could be merged into Epping Forest and Braintree could absord Uttlesford (which isn't ideal, but Uttlesford doesn't naturally go with anywhere and it's far too small to stand alone.) I could see a good case for putting Witham into Mid Essex too.
A plausible case could also be made for shifting the London boundary up towards the M25, but in the unlikely event that London does ever expand, I'd be surprised if it stopped at that.
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Post by greenhert on Oct 11, 2015 14:36:21 GMT
Yes, putting the Meriden Gap back into Warwickshire and making Coventry a UA seems logical. Then I'd merge North Warwickshire and Nuneaton & Bedworth into one UA and the rest of the county into a South Warwickshire UA. For Essex, I'd merge Colchester and Tendring (unless the trend is towards really big unitaries, in which case I'd also chuck in Ipswich, the east of Babergh and the south of Suffolk Coastal.) Thurrock could take Basildon south of the A127, Southend could take Rochford district and Castle Point could go with either. The north of Basildon district could go with Brentwood, Chelmsford and Maldon into a new Mid Essex authority, Harlow could be merged into Epping Forest and Braintree could absord Uttlesford (which isn't ideal, but Uttlesford doesn't naturally go with anywhere and it's far too small to stand alone.) I could see a good case for putting Witham into Mid Essex too. A plausible case could also be made for shifting the London boundary up towards the M25, but in the unlikely event that London does ever expand, I'd be surprised if it stopped at that. Coventry, like all metropolitan borough councils, is ipso facto a unitary authority already.
I see no need to merge North Warwickshire and Nuneaton & Bedworth councils-but moving the Meriden gap back into Warwickshire County Council's boundaries sounds plausible. Would it be plausible to place the rest of Solihull (really an oversized town with expanded suburbs rather than a true metropolitan borough in my opinion), back into Warwickshire County Council's boundaries as well, and split off Sutton Coldfield from Birmingham, on that note?
Greater London is already large enough-it should not have been created in the first place and I certainly do not think it needs to swallow up towns like Watford and Dartford.
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 11, 2015 14:47:21 GMT
Have a look at this map: Now, where do you think Sutton Coldfield begins and Birmingham proper ends?
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Post by cibwr on Oct 11, 2015 14:56:27 GMT
On that basis Birmingham would extend all the way to Penderford....
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Post by iainbhx on Oct 11, 2015 15:00:56 GMT
Have a look at this map: Now, where do you think Sutton Coldfield begins and Birmingham proper ends? Every true resident of the former Royal Borough knows it by heart.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Oct 11, 2015 15:06:07 GMT
Yes, putting the Meriden Gap back into Warwickshire and making Coventry a UA seems logical. Then I'd merge North Warwickshire and Nuneaton & Bedworth into one UA and the rest of the county into a South Warwickshire UA. For Essex, I'd merge Colchester and Tendring (unless the trend is towards really big unitaries, in which case I'd also chuck in Ipswich, the east of Babergh and the south of Suffolk Coastal.) Thurrock could take Basildon south of the A127, Southend could take Rochford district and Castle Point could go with either. The north of Basildon district could go with Brentwood, Chelmsford and Maldon into a new Mid Essex authority, Harlow could be merged into Epping Forest and Braintree could absord Uttlesford (which isn't ideal, but Uttlesford doesn't naturally go with anywhere and it's far too small to stand alone.) I could see a good case for putting Witham into Mid Essex too. A plausible case could also be made for shifting the London boundary up towards the M25, but in the unlikely event that London does ever expand, I'd be surprised if it stopped at that. Coventry, like all metropolitan borough councils, is ipso facto a unitary authority already.
I see no need to merge North Warwickshire and Nuneaton & Bedworth councils-but moving the Meriden gap back into Warwickshire County Council's boundaries sounds plausible. Would it be plausible to place the rest of Solihull (really an oversized town with expanded suburbs rather than a true metropolitan borough in my opinion), back into Warwickshire County Council's boundaries as well, and split off Sutton Coldfield from Birmingham, on that note?
Greater London is already large enough-it should not have been created in the first place and I certainly do not think it needs to swallow up towns like Watford and Dartford.
Yes, but you see no need for that because you want to pretend we can go back to 1972. We can't. Sutton Coldfield and Solihull look to Birmingham, not to Warwick. All the wishing in the world isn't going to change that.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 11, 2015 15:46:32 GMT
I have just returned from a long weekend in and around Nottingham, primarily in the Gedling borough. It looked to me that Nottingham is ridiculously tightly drawn, and there is an almost seamless transition between Nott'num, Gedling and Rushcliffe.
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 11, 2015 16:01:49 GMT
This is correct.
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Post by greenhert on Oct 11, 2015 16:15:57 GMT
I have just returned from a long weekend in and around Nottingham, primarily in the Gedling borough. It looked to me that Nottingham is ridiculously tightly drawn, and there is an almost seamless transition between Nott'num, Gedling and Rushcliffe.
Nottingham, like quite a few other cities in the UK, is 'ridiculously tightly drawn' because its official boundaries for local government purposes have not been altered since 1972, even when it was given unitary authority status in 1996.
Which other cities in the UK are in your opinion 'ridiculously tightly drawn'? I am sure there is a good reason why the current constituency boundaries of 'Norwich North' include towns officially in the Broadland district (Sprowston and Thorpe St Andrew).
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Post by Richard Allen on Oct 11, 2015 16:31:46 GMT
I have just returned from a long weekend in and around Nottingham, primarily in the Gedling borough. It looked to me that Nottingham is ridiculously tightly drawn, and there is an almost seamless transition between Nott'num, Gedling and Rushcliffe. And Broxtowe. As a bare minimum I would add West Bridgford and almost certainly Beeston as well. There is a also a very good case for adding Carlton and you could go as far as Arnold and Stapleford, although probably not in the case of the latter.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 11, 2015 16:44:57 GMT
I have just returned from a long weekend in and around Nottingham, primarily in the Gedling borough. It looked to me that Nottingham is ridiculously tightly drawn, and there is an almost seamless transition between Nott'num, Gedling and Rushcliffe.
Nottingham, like quite a few other cities in the UK, is 'ridiculously tightly drawn' because its official boundaries for local government purposes have not been altered since 1972, even when it was given unitary authority status in 1996.
Which other cities in the UK are in your opinion 'ridiculously tightly drawn'? I am sure there is a good reason why the current constituency boundaries of 'Norwich North' include towns officially in the Broadland district (Sprowston and Thorpe St Andrew).
Manchester, Southampton, Reading (as pointed out by DB), and Bristol spring to mind.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 11, 2015 16:46:57 GMT
I have just returned from a long weekend in and around Nottingham, primarily in the Gedling borough. It looked to me that Nottingham is ridiculously tightly drawn, and there is an almost seamless transition between Nott'num, Gedling and Rushcliffe. And Broxtowe. As a bare minimum I would add West Bridgford and almost certainly Beeston as well. There is a also a very good case for adding Carlton and you could go as far as Arnold and Stapleford, although probably not in the case of the latter. I could hardly tell where Carlton finished and the city started. Similarly Netherfield. I imagine most people would regard those areas as unambiguously part of Nottingham. Entirely agree on West Bridgford and Beeston. Anything east of WB and Carlton (e.g Burton Joyce) could go into Newark & Sherwood.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Oct 11, 2015 16:51:08 GMT
Clackmannanshire. The only reason it exists was to make the (failed) Tory gerrymander of East Renfrewshire look more reasonable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 17:09:03 GMT
Preston is very tightly drawn. I'd consider absorbing South Ribble at the very least.....
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 11, 2015 17:27:22 GMT
Which other cities in the UK are in your opinion 'ridiculously tightly drawn'? I am sure there is a good reason why the current constituency boundaries of 'Norwich North' include towns officially in the Broadland district (Sprowston and Thorpe St Andrew).
This reminded me that I'd scribbled a few ideas on these lines for redrawn urban unitary authorites. I needed to rummage around to find where I'd put the maps. Bristol - extend to M5/M4/A4175/B3130 Birmingham - add Solihull Wolverhampton/Walsall Dudley/Stourbridge Coventry Leicester - extend to A46/M1/Grand Union Canal/River Sence Nottingham - extend to M1/A6211-ish/A52-ish Newcastle/Stock/Potteries - extend to M6 Liverpool - extend to A5758/M57/A5300 Manchester Leeds Bradford Sheffield Hull - North Ferriby to Hedon York - 1996 got this about right Middlesbrough - everything south of the Tees, give Guisborough and Saltburn back to North Yorkshire Stockton - everything north of the Tees, so as is except for Thornaby/etc Newcastle - everything north of the Tyne Gateshead - everything south of the Tyne Sunderland - extend to the M1 Glasgow - Cydebank/Paisley/Kilbride/Coatbridge/Kirkintolluch/Milngavie Edinburgh - add Dalkeith and Mussleburgh
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Oct 11, 2015 17:46:46 GMT
I have just returned from a long weekend in and around Nottingham, primarily in the Gedling borough. It looked to me that Nottingham is ridiculously tightly drawn, and there is an almost seamless transition between Nott'num, Gedling and Rushcliffe.
Nottingham, like quite a few other cities in the UK, is 'ridiculously tightly drawn' because its official boundaries for local government purposes have not been altered since 1972, even when it was given unitary authority status in 1996.
Which other cities in the UK are in your opinion 'ridiculously tightly drawn'? I am sure there is a good reason why the current constituency boundaries of 'Norwich North' include towns officially in the Broadland district (Sprowston and Thorpe St Andrew).
I think it's because there's no way you can call Sprowston and Thorpe St. Andrew 'towns' with a stright face.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 17:51:01 GMT
South Tyneside
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