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Post by finsobruce on Oct 8, 2015 21:48:55 GMT
Do you mean the London County Council?
I do, finsobruce, yes, because the London County Council covered only boroughs in what we now know as Inner London (i.e. Westminster, Lambeth, Wandsworth, Lewisham, Greenwich, Hackney, Camden, Islington, Kensington & Chelsea, Hammersmith & Fulham, Tower Hamlets, and Southwark)
I know....My father worked for both the LCC and the GLC.
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 8, 2015 21:54:03 GMT
Rutland. Seriously, a unitary authority covering a population of 28,588. An utter waste of money duplicating all those county level departments. Make them a second tier district and bung them under Leicestershire. All whole county unitaries. Unwieldy and unmanageable. I'll second the Highlands Council. It may be relatively sparsely populated, but its just large an area for one authority. Dividing it into North Highlands and South Highlands would make sense. Well quite. A total exercise in political posturing by John Major, of all people. And IIRC they had to contract to Leicestershire for a lot of their functions anyway. Indeed. A ridiculous idea which shows what you get when you consult local politicians instead of say, the collective wisdom of this forum. That said there must be some of the districts that would have found it difficult to be unitaries. Don't know enough about the council to say really, but sounds correct.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 8, 2015 21:55:20 GMT
Rutland. Seriously, a unitary authority covering a population of 28,588. An utter waste of money duplicating all those county level departments. Make them a second tier district and bung them under Leicestershire. Tried that. The locals went ballistic and insisted it was changed back. If they're having worse services because they have a unitary council covering an unfeasibly small population, then I'm not going to intervene. But the additional cost of being a small authority must be borne locally as well. (In practice they subcontract most of the important jobs to Leicestershire County Council, so they are less unitary than might at first appear.)
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 8, 2015 22:01:26 GMT
Cheshire East.
Stupid creation.
Split it into:
East Cheshire UA (the former Macclesfield BC, plus northern part of former Congleton BC)
South Cheshire UA (the former Crewe & Nantwich BC, plus southern part of former Congleton BC)
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 8, 2015 22:09:47 GMT
As a former resident of Congleton BC I would say the borough divides east-west rather than north-south, with the M6 as the approx dividing line. So Congleton, Holmes Chapel and most of the rural area is separate from Sandbach, Middlewich and Elworth.
Alsager might be an exception as it probably fits more naturally with a Crewe based authority.
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Post by Philip Davies on Oct 8, 2015 22:10:49 GMT
Cheshire East. Stupid creation. Split it into: East Cheshire UA (the former Macclesfield BC, plus northern part of former Congleton BC) South Cheshire UA (the former Crewe & Nantwich BC, plus southern part of former Congleton BC) I agree, I would put Congleton town in with the old Macclesfield borough. Sandbach and Alsager in with Crewe and Nantwich. Not sure where to put Holmes Chapel though! Middlewich to join the old Vale Royal borough to form a unitary. The rest, i.e. Chester and Ellesmere Port and Neston to be another unitary.
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Post by bolbridge on Oct 8, 2015 22:23:15 GMT
Cheshire East. Stupid creation. Split it into: East Cheshire UA (the former Macclesfield BC, plus northern part of former Congleton BC) South Cheshire UA (the former Crewe & Nantwich BC, plus southern part of former Congleton BC) I agree, I would put Congleton town in with the old Macclesfield borough. Sandbach and Alsager in with Crewe and Nantwich. Not sure where to put Holmes Chapel though! Middlewich to join the old Vale Royal borough to form a unitary. The rest, i.e. Chester and Ellesmere Port and Neston to be another unitary. How about putting Poynton and Wilmslow (and presumably Alderly Edge) into GM, probably in a larger Stockport?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 8, 2015 22:26:09 GMT
How about putting Poynton and Wilmslow (and presumably Alderly Edge) into GM, probably in a larger Stockport? I vote that you're the one to go and tell them this good news. Tell me when you do and I'll make sure to be at least 100 miles away.
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Post by Philip Davies on Oct 8, 2015 22:28:12 GMT
I agree, I would put Congleton town in with the old Macclesfield borough. Sandbach and Alsager in with Crewe and Nantwich. Not sure where to put Holmes Chapel though! Middlewich to join the old Vale Royal borough to form a unitary. The rest, i.e. Chester and Ellesmere Port and Neston to be another unitary. How about putting Poynton and Wilmslow (and presumably Alderly Edge) into GM, probably in a larger Stockport? I would put Disley in Stockport for sure, apart from the bit that adjoins New Mills which should really be in Derbyshire. Poynton and Lyme Park (previously owned by Stockport CB and then MBC) perhaps should go into Stockport MBC too. Wilmslow and Alderley Edge aren't so clearly linked to Stockport.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Oct 8, 2015 22:29:03 GMT
Abolish all the Welsh local councils and replace them with eight counties (oh, wait a moment, that's precisely what Leighton Andrews is doing!)
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Post by john07 on Oct 8, 2015 22:53:40 GMT
I agree, I would put Congleton town in with the old Macclesfield borough. Sandbach and Alsager in with Crewe and Nantwich. Not sure where to put Holmes Chapel though! Middlewich to join the old Vale Royal borough to form a unitary. The rest, i.e. Chester and Ellesmere Port and Neston to be another unitary. How about putting Poynton and Wilmslow (and presumably Alderly Edge) into GM, probably in a larger Stockport? I think that certainly Poynton and possibly Wilmslow/Handforth were originally intended to form part of Greater Manchester but were omitted after the locals moaned.
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Post by Khunanup on Oct 9, 2015 0:31:57 GMT
I could never see why the Salford Metropolitan Authority was ever created in the first place. Salford has no identifiable centre or focal point. I suppose the nearest to one is the around the Crescent. Even the University describes itself as the University of Salford, Manchester! A complete dysfunctional waste of space. Put the 'old' Salford into Manchester, the rest into Bolton or Wigan. Same with Tameside. Denton into Stockport, Droylesden into Manchester and merge the rest with Oldham. Sefton probably comes into the same category although I don't know enough about the area to be more specific. Basically do away with all Met Authorities without a League Football team. Nah, I think Wirral (plus the old Ellesmere Port and Neston borough, AKA South Wirral...) should remain.
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Post by john07 on Oct 9, 2015 0:34:53 GMT
I could never see why the Salford Metropolitan Authority was ever created in the first place. Salford has no identifiable centre or focal point. I suppose the nearest to one is the around the Crescent. Even the University describes itself as the University of Salford, Manchester! A complete dysfunctional waste of space. Put the 'old' Salford into Manchester, the rest into Bolton or Wigan. Same with Tameside. Denton into Stockport, Droylesden into Manchester and merge the rest with Oldham. Sefton probably comes into the same category although I don't know enough about the area to be more specific. Basically do away with all Met Authorities without a League Football team. Nah, I think Wirral (plus the old Ellesmere Port and Neston borough, AKA South Wirral...) should remain. I would still count Tranmere Rovers, as with that other Merseyside team Stockport County, despite both being temporarily outside the Football League.
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Post by Khunanup on Oct 9, 2015 0:55:44 GMT
Nah, I think Wirral (plus the old Ellesmere Port and Neston borough, AKA South Wirral...) should remain. I would still count Tranmere Rovers, as with that other Merseyside team Stockport County, despite both being temporarily outside the Football League. Stockport's tenure outside the league is a little more than temporary unfortunately... So I'd abolish Knowsley (all into Liverpool apart from Whiston which would go into Sint 'elens) and Sefton (Bootle and Maghull/Aintree into Liverpool, the rest into a new unitary with West Lancs). As mentioned above the two Cheshire unitaries need to go, splitting into probably three or a smaller two with outer areas joining existing mets/unitaries. In all circumstances Wirral should expand to include Ellesmere Port and Neston. All the 'all county' unitaries need to be split up (apart from Rutland obviously), the real problem one is Shropshire due to the low population but the relatively high population in the centre of the county (obviously Telford and Wrekin would have to be involved in any solution there). I would unitaryise the rest of England too.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Oct 9, 2015 1:05:22 GMT
England is easy. 18 counties.
Derbyshire Durham Essex Gloucestershire Hampshire Kent Lancashire Leicestershire Middlesex Northamptonshire Nottinghamshire Somerset Surrey Sussex Warwickshire Worcestershire Yorkshire Minorcountyshire
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 9, 2015 6:19:32 GMT
England is easy. 18 counties. Minorcountyshire Agreed, Dorset, Berkshire and Cheshire should have formed a cohesive political unit ages ago.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 9, 2015 6:23:13 GMT
As mentioned elsewhere, Test Valley BC. Hand the Andover area to Basingstoke & Deane, Stockbridge, Ampfield and the Sombornes to Winchester, and combine Romsey and the bits of Chandler's Ford that aren't already Eastleigh into an enlarged Eastleigh (the three main settlements would be easily linked by rail and road).
With Manchester, I'd be tempted to hand Northenden ward to Trafford.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Oct 9, 2015 6:49:44 GMT
England is easy. 18 counties. Minorcountyshire Agreed, Dorset, Berkshire and Cheshire should have formed a cohesive political unit ages ago. And Cornwall and Northumberland. The headquarters would be in NW8.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 7:36:43 GMT
You could easily split it between Bolton, Manchester and probably Trafford "Easily"?! There's no easy about it. Salford is Salford is Salford. They ain't Manchester.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 9, 2015 8:01:53 GMT
1. Mendip district council. It is based around a range of hills, and the communities on either side have little connection between them. Frome could be asorbed into Bath & N.E. Somerset, while the towns to the south of the Mendips (Wells, Glastonbury, etc) are more connected with those in Sedgemoor (Cheddar, Axbridge etc). 2. Wiltshire unitary authority. Like Mendip, Wiltshire's population is all found around its edges, with an almost empty middle. While the district councils that existed before weren't prefect, they made far more sense than having one council stretching from Malmesbury down to south of Salisbury. On point 1, I presume that lack of connection partly explains why there has never been a unified 'Mendip' parliamentary constituency (e.g. 'Frome and Glastonbury).
On point 2, similar things could definitely be said for other mainly rural unitary authorities (Cornwall, Shropshire, Northumberland, and Durham) that should not have been created in the first place.
I guess you're not familiar with the boundaries of the Wells seat prior to 1983 then ?
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