john07
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Post by john07 on Oct 9, 2015 11:31:40 GMT
One interesting result for Scotland is that Labour's only Scottish seat, Edinburgh South. is the second most prosperous constituency behind Aberdeenshire West (using median income) or third behind Aberdeen South (using mean income).
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 9, 2015 14:27:42 GMT
Ah, so it is survey data. Thought as much. Not uninteresting, but beware.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 14:40:31 GMT
It's remarkable how poor the correlation between income and voting habits is in london. Those who think the rich don't pay their share should examine the difference in tax paid by Cities of London and Westminster with Blanaeu Gwent. A multiple of about 40. I read somewhere last week that one house in Westminster generated more stamp duty last year than the whole of Liverpool. Whilst a one off and slightly absurd example, it does make it apparent that whole swathes of the country pay a disproportionately low amount of tax. If you don't include VAT or excise duty as tax, then maybe yes. |
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Post by neilm on Oct 9, 2015 15:05:14 GMT
I read somewhere last week that one house in Westminster generated more stamp duty last year than the whole of Liverpool. Whilst a one off and slightly absurd example, it does make it apparent that whole swathes of the country pay a disproportionately low amount of tax. If you don't include VAT or excise duty as tax, then maybe yes. Even with including them, you'll find that on a per head basis the same areas raise a disproportionate amount. If an area raises little in income tax, it certainly won't be raising loads in VAT (although I admit that cigarette taxes and lottery taxes will raise more per head than other areas). |
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Post by myth11 on Oct 9, 2015 16:28:10 GMT
If you don't include VAT or excise duty as tax, then maybe yes. Even with including them, you'll find that on a per head basis the same areas raise a disproportionate amount. If an area raises little in income tax, it certainly won't be raising loads in VAT (although I admit that cigarette taxes and lottery taxes will raise more per head than other areas). we have a de facto complex flat tax system by % terms in this country so yes the rich pay more because of higher earnings not higher tax. |
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Post by neilm on Oct 9, 2015 16:31:39 GMT
Even with including them, you'll find that on a per head basis the same areas raise a disproportionate amount. If an area raises little in income tax, it certainly won't be raising loads in VAT (although I admit that cigarette taxes and lottery taxes will raise more per head than other areas). we have a de facto complex flat tax system by % terms in this country so yes the rich pay more because of higher earnings not higher tax. I suspect there isn't a definitive way of settling this. Wealthier areas will pay more tax in raw figures per head than poorer areas, and as a percentage of overall tax take. I wonder what the percentage of income paid as tax is for all people? I've not actually worked mine out for some time. |
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Post by greenchristian on Oct 9, 2015 17:22:03 GMT
It's remarkable how poor the correlation between income and voting habits is in london. Those who think the rich don't pay their share should examine the difference in tax paid by Cities of London and Westminster with Blanaeu Gwent. A multiple of about 40. What's the ratio of incomes between the two constituencies? Because without that figure, the ratio of taxes paid is completely meaningless. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 18:10:46 GMT
It's remarkable how poor the correlation between income and voting habits is in london. Those who think the rich don't pay their share should examine the difference in tax paid by Cities of London and Westminster with Blanaeu Gwent. A multiple of about 40. What's the ratio of incomes between the two constituencies? Because without that figure, the ratio of taxes paid is completely meaningless. 10 ish |
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Post by myth11 on Oct 9, 2015 19:10:06 GMT
council tax band D
city of London 950ish
Blanaeu Gwent 1650ish
This survey is just one tax
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Post by neilm on Oct 9, 2015 19:29:22 GMT
Band D is £1650 in Blaenau Gwent? How many Band D homes are there? And how many in the City? I suspect that's not the average dwelling in either (although maybe the Barbican is full of them?). What's the average on the Goldhawk Estate?
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Post by neilm on Oct 9, 2015 19:43:43 GMT
Although your general point of not using the alleged national average as a benchmark is a good one that I hadn't considered.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 9, 2015 19:44:31 GMT
You mean the Golden Lane Estate? (Goldhawk Road is in Hammersmith).
Can answer that by looking at the five Census output areas covering the Golden Lane Estate and within the City of London.
Total number of dwellings 560.
Band A - 0
Band B - 73
Band C - 272
Band D - 23
Band E - 192
Band F - 0
Band G - 0
Band H - 0
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Post by neilm on Oct 9, 2015 20:30:32 GMT
You mean the Golden Lane Estate? (Goldhawk Road is in Hammersmith). Can answer that by looking at the five Census output areas covering the Golden Lane Estate and within the City of London. Total number of dwellings 560. Band A - 0 Band B - 73 Band C - 272 Band D - 23 Band E - 192 Band F - 0 Band G - 0 Band H - 0 That's the one. I was scrabbling for the name! Interesting, thanks. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 10, 2015 23:42:16 GMT
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Post by neilm on Nov 11, 2015 13:58:57 GMT
They need to merge the Devon and Plymouth figures- the alleged most expensive street in Plymouth is some distance from the city boundary. Also, I'm aware of house sales that don't seem to be on there.
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Post by thirdchill on Nov 11, 2015 18:05:12 GMT
Greater Manchester is no surprise at all. Dominated by the Altrincham area, which presumably includes Hale Barns and Bowdon. |
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