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Post by cibwr on Aug 30, 2015 10:42:47 GMT
Not sure if this one has been covered.... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-34064322UKIP Wales has suspended its candidate for a council by-election after he wrote on social media that immigrants should be gassed. Bobby Douglas also suggested an American woman refused entry to the UK should have "painted herself black" and pretended she could not speak English to obtain benefits. Mr Douglas will stand as an independent in the Caerphilly council by-election. He said he deeply regretted any offence caused. The messages have been removed. The poll is taking place in the Bedwas, Trethomas and Machen ward on 3 September. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Aug 30, 2015 12:12:59 GMT
UKIP Wales has suspended its candidate for a council by-election after he wrote on social media that immigrants should be gassed. ... Mr Douglas will stand as an independent in the Caerphilly council by-election. ... The poll is taking place in the Bedwas, Trethomas and Machen ward on 3 September. If the election is on 3rd September, ballot papers have already been printed, he will be standing as a UKIP candidate. |
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Post by cibwr on Aug 30, 2015 13:41:31 GMT
That is indeed what he will appear as, but he has been expelled so if he is elected he can not expect to use that description in the council chamber.
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Post by tonygreaves on Aug 30, 2015 14:04:50 GMT
If there is no other UKIP member of the Council, I am not sure he could be prevented as describing himself as UKIP. But he would not form a group.
It is amazing that people who say things like this then say they "regret any offence caused". The only purpose of saying such things would be to cause offence.
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Post by tonygreaves on Aug 30, 2015 14:06:31 GMT
It would be nice if someone could leak the full list of everyone who has been "purged" from being new supporters or registered affiliates or indeed members of the Labour Party!
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 30, 2015 16:08:08 GMT
It would be nice if someone could leak the full list of everyone who has been "purged" from being new supporters or registered affiliates or indeed members of the Labour Party! Many members of the Labour party would agree.... |
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Post by tonygreaves on Sept 1, 2015 19:07:51 GMT
The whole thing persuades me that the Labour Party is not a sensible place for democrats. But I didn't need much persuading in the first place.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 1, 2015 19:11:44 GMT
The whole thing persuades me that the Labour Party is not a sensible place for democrats. But I didn't need much persuading in the first place. I didn't notice any invitation from your party that if I paid £3 I could vote for your leader. |
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Post by tonygreaves on Sept 2, 2015 13:26:29 GMT
Indeed. But you could have joined the party. (Or in your case probably not but you know what I mean).
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 2, 2015 15:48:32 GMT
The whole thing persuades me that the Labour Party is not a sensible place for democrats. But I didn't need much persuading in the first place. I didn't notice any invitation from your party that if I paid £3 I could vote for your leader. It's not often that our party can outorganise others, but in this case ... |
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Post by MeirionGwril on Sept 20, 2016 10:09:51 GMT
"of the sort that could be followed by "the llaeth""
What the heck has milk got to do with anything?
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 20, 2016 10:12:58 GMT
Yes, the rumour is that Labour HQ are trawling social media accounts using all purpose algorithms.
This of course might help explain the silliness of certain individual cases.....
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 20, 2016 16:11:42 GMT
That article is bizarre. It seems to claim that Momentum are in charge of Bristol Labour but also being purged by it. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 20, 2016 16:15:52 GMT
Bristol has a Governing Mayor so no it isn't under minority anything.
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 20, 2016 16:17:17 GMT
That apparent contradiction (though the claim Momentum "control" the party in Bristol sounds like typical hyperbole) is because the national party - or more precisely the relevant committee - decides on the whys and wherefores of suspensions/expulsions, not anybody at a more local level.
A situation some have never been that happy with, but all the more so given recent events.
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 20, 2016 16:26:39 GMT
I think handling such matters at a local level would... not... be a good idea. Anyway, no idea about the details of these cases but it's important to note that most of the suspensions and barring-from-voting that have stood up have been for being a member/supporter of another party. But the fundamental problem (and this leading to rushed work and the sillier rulings) is that we have a halfway house between a tightly-controlled internal contest and a primary. And that's really, really stupid. Administrative problems and subsequent bitterness are inevitable.
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 20, 2016 16:35:26 GMT
Of course it can't be done *just* at a local level, for obvious reasons.
But some sort of mechanism to let local parties right clear miscarriages of justice might have avoided much of the bad feelings we have seen recently.
As with the law more generally, people have a tendency to recall the one dud verdict more than a dozen sensible ones.
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 20, 2016 17:53:24 GMT
Yeah but so long as both sides are convinced that the other is out to get them... well you see the issue.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Sept 21, 2016 5:45:12 GMT
That apparent contradiction (though the claim Momentum "control" the party in Bristol sounds like typical hyperbole) is because the national party - or more precisely the relevant committee - decides on the whys and wherefores of suspensions/expulsions, not anybody at a more local level. A situation some have never been that happy with, but all the more so given recent events. Local CLP (and in some cases branch) secretaries have been reporting where new members are known to be supporters of other parties. It'd be easy enough to also allow them to report when new members who previously supported other parties are nevertheless on the level in joining Labour now. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 29, 2016 18:54:47 GMT
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