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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 20, 2018 22:18:56 GMT
And hedgehog thinks this place is anti-traveller ...
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Post by john07 on Aug 22, 2018 18:24:11 GMT
And hedgehog thinks this place is anti-traveller ... Is that the same hedgehog who thinks that Ian Smith was the greatest African leader?
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Post by hedgehog on Aug 22, 2018 18:43:14 GMT
And hedgehog thinks this place is anti-traveller ... Is that the same hedgehog who thinks that Ian Smith was the greatest African leader? Hard to think of many others who could claim that title, how many could you name that didn't stick half the National GDP in their backpocket. How many could you name who did everything out of civic duty and for the love of their country. His war record for the Motherland, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_service_of_Ian_Smith the Motherland that betrayed him and every other Rhodesian who fought for us in our hour of need.
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Post by jimboo2017 on Aug 22, 2018 19:14:34 GMT
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pikeysums up why pikey is not a term anyone with an ounce of common sense or decency should be using (IMO)
BTW I shop at LIDL every week... So do most other people round where I live. Hence they doubled the size of the store last year
Drom your link. Pikey is not a racial group, the term is used to describe anyone who lives in a caravan or shares the same values and "culture" of "the travelling community", and whose main sources of income are as follows:
I do not use the term Pikey but when it is used I am not too bothered as it is a catchall term for the various travelling groups that live in my Fife, they make their living much as described in the Urban Dictionary as the have been hounded of the land by greedy farmers and councillors from all of your political parties. The berries are not being picked as the pikies have nowhere to park their vans and caravans, the local papers are always full of people asking the Council and Police to move them on, must be depressing but I am sure they are happy to know some people get upset if they are called a bad name. The current situation where certain travelling clans are turning to more violent and organised crimiminal activities is only a nartural progress from there previous situation. I really cant be arset with people shouting racist when they are, as political activists, responsible for the total exclusion of the traveller peoples. The latest influx of Roma has more to do with post Hitler and Stalin and the fall of the Eastern Bloc
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Post by boogieeck on Aug 28, 2018 18:46:59 GMT
He appears to have survived. It will be of interest now to see if this furore can be asserted to have affected his vote, either positively or negatively and fun to see how it affects his transfer friendliness
Life of course is more complex than simple bigot vs woke.
I have been jokingly referred to by one of my own members - (one whose views on gypsy travelers are very liberal on the things that matter, namely right to camp or settle), as the "Councillor for Gypos" in a private conversation where the tone made it obvious he was doing so for comic effect and was not critical of me for it. It is not much of a stretch from that to imagine that subsequently, in a private conversation, and for comic effect, I might then refer to myself as the Councilor for Gypos to a skeptical but private audience before going on to assert just why they should be permitted to camp or settle. But its not hard then to see me being quoted out of context as being a bigot.
Ditto I have known people do good charitable work for handicapped children, then in private and for comic effect, dismiss their own good work as "driving the window lickers" or similar. Where is the comic effect the woke will wail? The comic effect comes from transgressing societies norms and is keeping with Billy Connolly's Crucifixion routine. Now of course, the parents of said children might find this offensive, but may also be the same people writing to me to demand that the lay by be blocked off to prevent " those people" from camping up.
@fraser and I once knew a client (alcohol rehab) who was doing voluntary work with handicapped kids. When sober, he was kind, but not educated. He struggled to find the right word, then invented his own. Dirlies. He helped out with the Dirlies. Fraser and I then used to report verbally that the client was helping out with the Dirlies. We did this not to mock the children but equally unprofessionally, to wind up our female and woke colleagues, including Fraser's wife, and I suppose to mock the volunteer.
We are bad people, I know. But as those who quickly cast the first stone know, few of us are never bad people.
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Post by boogieeck on Sept 6, 2018 19:03:56 GMT
Anyway. I want this one.
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Post by boogieeck on Sept 7, 2018 12:51:29 GMT
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 7, 2018 13:08:49 GMT
In other words, at the last possible stage, when everybody else had been eliminated. The redistributions might be interesting when available, at least to see where any that went to the SNP came from.
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Post by jimboo2017 on Sept 7, 2018 13:13:06 GMT
Thought it would been earlier than that but Fife SNP and Labour deserve a kick up the arse, do not think they know how many of their own supporters they have pissed off, have I ever said I hate Dalgetty Bay, souless place, Dollytown had more heart
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Post by jimboo2017 on Sept 8, 2018 1:25:10 GMT
So many people going mad that the Tories have gained a seat from Labour
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 8, 2018 9:41:14 GMT
So many people going mad that the Tories have gained a seat from Labour In a division where they came top last year.
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Post by jimboo2017 on Sept 8, 2018 9:51:58 GMT
So many people going mad that the Tories have gained a seat from Labour In a division where they came top last year. so many do not understand the system, the local press could do a better job explaining
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 8, 2018 10:10:47 GMT
In a division where they came top last year. so many do not understand the system, the local press could do a better job explaining Nonetheless, a Labour councillor has been replaced by a Tory councillor, and there's no other description for it than a Tory gain from Labour.
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 8, 2018 10:13:55 GMT
so many do not understand the system, the local press could do a better job explaining Nonetheless, a Labour councillor has been replaced by a Tory councillor, and there's no other description for it than a Tory gain from Labour. Yes, we have had this discussion here before re Scottish by-elections (including when there has actually been a swing *against* the winning party!) I agree with you, but also suspect the previous poster was referring more to those depicting this as some sort of epochal event when it is really "small earthquake, not many hurt" territory 
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Post by jimboo2017 on Sept 8, 2018 11:11:47 GMT
Nonetheless, a Labour councillor has been replaced by a Tory councillor, and there's no other description for it than a Tory gain from Labour. Yes, we have had this discussion here before re Scottish by-elections (including when there has actually been a swing *against* the winning party!) I agree with you, but also suspect the previous poster was referring more to those depicting this as some sort of epochal event when it is really "small earthquake, not many hurt" territory  Tories went from 54% to 37%. Clearly Tories hold on to seat by narrow margin, most of this was the Windaelickersgate effect publications.fifedirect.org.uk/c64_Transfers_Report_Ward_6_-_Inverkeithing__Dalgety_Bay_07092018_000427.pdf
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Post by Tony Otim on Sept 8, 2018 11:32:16 GMT
Yes, we have had this discussion here before re Scottish by-elections (including when there has actually been a swing *against* the winning party!) I agree with you, but also suspect the previous poster was referring more to those depicting this as some sort of epochal event when it is really "small earthquake, not many hurt" territory  Tories went from 54% to 37%. Clearly Tories hold on to seat by narrow margin, most of this was the Windaelickersgate effect publications.fifedirect.org.uk/c64_Transfers_Report_Ward_6_-_Inverkeithing__Dalgety_Bay_07092018_000427.pdfTories went from 37% to 37% if you're rounding the nearest whole number. The comments of their candidate having practically zero effect. As some of us predicted would be the case. The result was utterly unspectacular.
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Post by Tony Otim on Sept 8, 2018 11:35:17 GMT
How on earth did we gain 1% of the vote with a Government like this one?  Differential Turnout - turnout was much better in the more Tory inclined parts of the ward.
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Post by jimboo2017 on Sept 8, 2018 13:54:49 GMT
feck it, tory seat goes to tories
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Post by boogieeck on Sept 8, 2018 15:04:20 GMT
Comfortable first innings lead, which he then extended at every stage except the exclusion of the Green. Yes, more Labour to Conservative transfers that Labour to SNP. As a party and as an individual, rather lacking in toxicity. Stuck on the council with you.
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Post by Tony Otim on Sept 8, 2018 15:19:41 GMT
Comfortable first innings lead, which he then extended at every stage except the exclusion of the Green. Yes, more Labour to Conservative transfers that Labour to SNP. As a party and as an individual, rather lacking in toxicity. Stuck on the council with you. The overall effect of the transfers was that the gap between the Tories and the SNP narrowed by 56 votes. I think it would be fairer to say that neither of them were exactly transfer friendly. AND THERE WERE MORELAB TO SNP TRANSFERS THAN LAB TO CON ONES.
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