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Post by carlton43 on Jul 5, 2015 14:13:35 GMT
People like to think of themselves as caring for others, altruistic etc. Without getting into a debate with the left & right supporters on here, in very very broad terms, people vote Conservative out of self-interest, people vote Labour or LD and a few other parties, out of a sense of fairness and helping others. (I know this is very simplistic, but it is how many "non-political" people think about the parties). So people who voted say Labour when asked about it, proudly say they voted Labour with the accompanying warm glow of satisfaction. Those who vote Tory can only do so out of a sense of self-interest (please dont give me any of that 'trickle down' economics voodoo nonsense!) and, because everyone thinks of themselves as caring & altruistic, even if they arent, sometimes it is easier to tell the pollster you voted for some other party or are an 'undecided' - which brings me back to the point I made yesterday  I think the number of altruistic Conservative voters is a minority in that party but larger than the altruistic minority in the Labour party. I am quite sure a large majority of Labour voters vote totally out of self interest. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 5, 2015 14:20:13 GMT
People like to think of themselves as caring for others, altruistic etc. Without getting into a debate with the left & right supporters on here, in very very broad terms, people vote Conservative out of self-interest, people vote Labour or LD and a few other parties, out of a sense of fairness and helping others. (I know this is very simplistic, but it is how many "non-political" people think about the parties). So people who voted say Labour when asked about it, proudly say they voted Labour with the accompanying warm glow of satisfaction. Those who vote Tory can only do so out of a sense of self-interest (please dont give me any of that 'trickle down' economics voodoo nonsense!) and, because everyone thinks of themselves as caring & altruistic, even if they arent, sometimes it is easier to tell the pollster you voted for some other party or are an 'undecided' - which brings me back to the point I made yesterday If it was that simple the Tories would *always* be understated in polls, but (despite what is sometimes claimed) that is not the case. I think that "shyness" is caused by "embarrassment" over fear rather than selfishness tbh. No coincidence that both the big polling debacles of recent times - 1992 and this year - were caused by extremely (and depressingly) successful Tory scare campaigns. Some people don't want to admit to pollsters they are basically scaredy cats  Though there is also evidence that a party that has to rely on this to get elected isn't in a great position longer term. Not just how '92 was followed by 1997, but the big Tory scare of 1924 (Zinoviev letter and all) was followed by Labour forming a more secure administration in 1929. (lets not probe too deeply into what happened after that, ahem) |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 5, 2015 22:13:48 GMT
People like to think of themselves as caring for others, altruistic etc. Without getting into a debate with the left & right supporters on here, in very very broad terms, people vote Conservative out of self-interest, people vote Labour or LD and a few other parties, out of a sense of fairness and helping others. (I know this is very simplistic, but it is how many "non-political" people think about the parties). So people who voted say Labour when asked about it, proudly say they voted Labour with the accompanying warm glow of satisfaction. Those who vote Tory can only do so out of a sense of self-interest (please dont give me any of that 'trickle down' economics voodoo nonsense!) and, because everyone thinks of themselves as caring & altruistic, even if they arent, sometimes it is easier to tell the pollster you voted for some other party or are an 'undecided' - which brings me back to the point I made yesterday Out of all the more than quarter of a million posts made on this site, and not excluding the nearly 8,000 made by doktorb, this is probably the biggest pile of shit I have ever read on here |
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Post by Andrew_S on Jul 5, 2015 22:33:36 GMT
People like to think of themselves as caring for others, altruistic etc. Without getting into a debate with the left & right supporters on here, in very very broad terms, people vote Conservative out of self-interest, people vote Labour or LD and a few other parties, out of a sense of fairness and helping others. (I know this is very simplistic, but it is how many "non-political" people think about the parties). So people who voted say Labour when asked about it, proudly say they voted Labour with the accompanying warm glow of satisfaction. Those who vote Tory can only do so out of a sense of self-interest (please dont give me any of that 'trickle down' economics voodoo nonsense!) and, because everyone thinks of themselves as caring & altruistic, even if they arent, sometimes it is easier to tell the pollster you voted for some other party or are an 'undecided' - which brings me back to the point I made yesterday I disagree with your analysis. A lot of people vote Conservative because they believe in Conservative or conservative philosophy which isn't necessarily to do with self-interest. Quite a lot of Conservatives are fairly puritanical in their personal lives for example. |
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