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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 11, 2015 14:27:48 GMT
The review formally begins in the new year, but amending legislation would be needed (unlikely to be very controversial if it just reverses the cut to 600 and allows a wider tolerance). So I think November would be the last possible time for any announcement that the rules are being changed.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jun 11, 2015 14:28:57 GMT
At the appropriate juncture, in the fullness of time.
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Post by Crimson King on Jun 11, 2015 14:30:43 GMT
Thanks - David
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 18:33:49 GMT
Stupid political journalist clearly doesn't understand that he can't "quietly abandon this pledge", given that he would need to undertake the not-very-quiet process of amending primary legislation in order to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 18:36:13 GMT
ConstituenciesLucy Powell: To ask the Minister for the Cabinet Office, when he plans to enact the reduction in the number of seats in this House from 650 to 600. [1252] Lucy Powell: To ask the Minister for the Cabinet Office, pursuant to the Answer of 3 June 2015 to Question 263, whether it remains his policy to reduce the number of parliamentary constituencies from 650 to 600. [1274] John Penrose: The Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies (PVSC) Act 2011 provides for the number of constituencies to be reduced from 650 to 600 and the Government remains committed to equalising the size of constituencies in order to make votes of more equal value. The Government will outline its plans for constituency boundaries when it responds to the Political and Constitutional Reform Committee’s report, What next on the redrawing of parliamentary constituency boundaries?, in due course. The Boundary Commissions are due to commence work on their next reviews of Parliamentary constituencies in spring 2016 in order to submit final reports by 1 October 2018. If approved, the new constituencies would take effect at the next General Election. Emily Thornberry: To ask the Minister for the Cabinet Office, whether the Government plans to bring forward legislative proposals to alter the procedure by which the recommendations of the Boundary Commissions take effect upon the conclusion of their periodic reviews of constituency boundaries. [698] John Penrose: The Government remains committed to equalising the size of constituencies in order to make votes of more equal value. The Government will outline its plans for constituency boundaries when it responds to the Political and Constitutional Reform Committee’s report, What next on the redrawing of parliamentary constituency boundaries?, in due course. Interesting. So they are leaving open the option of changing the rules.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jun 15, 2015 22:16:05 GMT
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Post by ohhowshechanged on Jun 15, 2015 22:38:52 GMT
Last time Lewis Baston came up with something the same, which was a lot of Labour gerrymander which had no impact on the real recommendations of the Commission. I'd listen to the sound of my drains over him on this issue.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jun 16, 2015 11:52:46 GMT
Except that this doesn't do any detailed mapping, just notes where seats are likely to disappear and where there's a chance of significant changes to marginals. Mostly it looks fairly reliable, particularly as it sensibly avoids coming to any definite decisions in London.
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 16, 2015 12:50:00 GMT
Except that this doesn't do any detailed mapping, just notes where seats are likely to disappear and where there's a chance of significant changes to marginals. Mostly it looks fairly reliable, particularly as it sensibly avoids coming to any definite decisions in London. As an aside, it's worth mentioning that in his native Hampshire Baston's plan was by and large adopted by the boundary commission having been put forward lock stock and barrel by Hampshire Labour. His plan was a bit crap and some of the seats were slightly unfortunate but it was reasonably sensible overall and appealed to the commissioner. In that context then his write-up is sensible and he makes the important (though possibly optimistic) point that the BCE should be more open to ward splitting this time after the feedback they've had, which if it is 600 seats will make things much more sensible.
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Post by Sharon on Jun 20, 2015 0:20:38 GMT
Going slightly off topic, Lewis Baston's Mum used to be a Lib Dem City Councillor here in Southampton.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 22, 2015 21:48:32 GMT
Oh, wouldn't it be much easier&faster to renew one of the 2 plans from the last parliament?
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jun 22, 2015 22:11:45 GMT
Oh, wouldn't it be much easier&faster to renew one of the 2 plans from the last parliament? Lights blue touch paper and retreats....
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Post by johnloony on Jun 23, 2015 3:02:09 GMT
Oh, wouldn't it be much easier&faster to renew one of the 2 plans from the last parliament? It would be both easier and faster, but it would be wrong to do so because they were based on the electorates in December 2010. There are now another 5 years of population changes which will need to be considered.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 23, 2015 14:16:27 GMT
Oh, wouldn't it be much easier&faster to renew one of the 2 plans from the last parliament? It would be both easier and faster, but it would be wrong to do so because they were based on the electorates in December 2010. There are now another 5 years of population changes which will need to be considered. Ah, right! Now I understand, why I didn't find the notional results for GE'15 of the formerly proposed 600 seats.
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Post by woollyliberal on Jun 23, 2015 15:47:21 GMT
Birmingham then needs do donate one ward to Sandwell to secure electoral equality (Soho?) and you've then got the fun task of trying to make 9 seats out of 39 wards. Which may, of course, force an entirely different pattern of arrangements. Birmingham is being rewarded after the 2016 local elections and ready for the 2018 local elections. The proposal is to switch to 100 single member wards from 40 three member wards. If Birmingham were to donate 1 or 4 wards to Sandwell, the division into 9 constituencies would be a little easier.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jun 23, 2015 16:53:11 GMT
That's not going to happen fast enough to be taken into consideration this time round.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jun 23, 2015 17:15:45 GMT
Ah, right! Now I understand, why I didn't find the notional results for GE'15 of the formerly proposed 600 seats. [/quote] Well, what a good thing I did eh (as in collated the changes from 650 seats to 600 seats and just need to add in as much data from 2015 as it needed)
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 23, 2015 22:26:14 GMT
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Post by Andrew_S on Jun 23, 2015 22:32:33 GMT
Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jun 24, 2015 7:28:24 GMT
Turkeys don't vote for Christmas. But they've already voted for Christmas, four years ago, the legislation is on the statute book. To stop it requires primary legislation.
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