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Post by formerfifer on Jan 18, 2021 17:53:47 GMT
Am I the only member on this forum who thinks that the BBC in Scotland is on the verge of morphing into a propaganda machine for the Scottish Government? They seem to have abandoned all attempts at objectivity and now simply parrot the lines put out by the Scottish Government. Today they were pedaling the notion that the vaccine rollout in Scotland was picking up pace but this is simply not supported by the published data.
On the 12th January Scotland administered a little over 16,000 first doses. The number peaked on the 14th January when they achieved 16,633. Today they announced a further 40,151 first doses administered. This would be great if it represented a single day's achievement, but this was three days of reporting so the daily average was just under 14,000. The 7 day average is therefore just 14,500.
By any objective measure Scotland's vaccination program is falling well below the rates being achieved in England and Northern Ireland and yet if you relied on BBC Scotland you'd be under the impression that the SNP haven't put a foot wrong in their handling of the pandemic.
The UK government's handling of this whole pandemic has been woeful but at least they are being held to account by the media.
Perhaps not the appropriate board for this, but couldn't see a better alternative.
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Post by john07 on Jan 18, 2021 18:13:39 GMT
Am I the only member on this forum who thinks that the BBC in Scotland is on the verge of morphing into a propaganda machine for the Scottish Government? They seem to have abandoned all attempts at objectivity and now simply parrot the lines put out by the Scottish Government. Today they were pedaling the notion that the vaccine rollout in Scotland was picking up pace but this is simply not supported by the published data. On the 12th January Scotland administered a little over 16,000 first doses. The number peaked on the 14th January when they achieved 16,633. Today they announced a further 40,151 first doses administered. This would be great if it represented a single day's achievement, but this was three days of reporting so the daily average was just under 14,000. The 7 day average is therefore just 14,500. By any objective measure Scotland's vaccination program is falling well below the rates being achieved in England and Northern Ireland and yet if you relied on BBC Scotland you'd be under the impression that the SNP haven't put a foot wrong in their handling of the pandemic. The UK government's handling of this whole pandemic has been woeful but at least they are being held to account by the media. Perhaps not the appropriate board for this, but couldn't see a better alternative. Since its got bugger all to do with elections, let alone historical elections you are correct. Try tacking in on to the generic scotland thread or start a new one.
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Post by jollyroger93 on Jan 18, 2021 19:21:19 GMT
Am I the only member on this forum who thinks that the BBC in Scotland is on the verge of morphing into a propaganda machine for the Scottish Government? They seem to have abandoned all attempts at objectivity and now simply parrot the lines put out by the Scottish Government. Today they were pedaling the notion that the vaccine rollout in Scotland was picking up pace but this is simply not supported by the published data. On the 12th January Scotland administered a little over 16,000 first doses. The number peaked on the 14th January when they achieved 16,633. Today they announced a further 40,151 first doses administered. This would be great if it represented a single day's achievement, but this was three days of reporting so the daily average was just under 14,000. The 7 day average is therefore just 14,500. By any objective measure Scotland's vaccination program is falling well below the rates being achieved in England and Northern Ireland and yet if you relied on BBC Scotland you'd be under the impression that the SNP haven't put a foot wrong in their handling of the pandemic. The UK government's handling of this whole pandemic has been woeful but at least they are being held to account by the media. Perhaps not the appropriate board for this, but couldn't see a better alternative. Since its got bugger all to do with elections, let alone historical elections you are correct. Try tacking in on to the generic scotland thread or start a new one. I think they thought this thread was about current tv coverage not past election nights.
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Post by john07 on Jan 18, 2021 20:33:10 GMT
Since its got bugger all to do with elections, let alone historical elections you are correct. Try tacking in on to the generic scotland thread or start a new one. I think they thought this thread was about current tv coverage not past election nights. Well why is it in the 'Historical Election Results' folder?
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jan 19, 2021 19:29:16 GMT
Has anybody got the 1995 or 2013 local elections coverage? I may have 1995 somewhere. Harry might have sent it to me IIRC. The first set of local elections I recorded was the 2004 locals. In 1995, I had only just bought a computer!
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Post by Andrew_S on Jan 19, 2021 19:35:32 GMT
I may have 1995 somewhere. Harry might have sent it to me IIRC. The first set of local elections I recorded was the 2004 locals. In 1995, I had only just bought a computer! I definitely thought I had some local elections prior to 2004. They must have been from elsewhere. Thanks for correcting me.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jan 19, 2021 19:59:18 GMT
I may have 1995 somewhere. Harry might have sent it to me IIRC. The first set of local elections I recorded was the 2004 locals. In 1995, I had only just bought a computer! I have the live teletext results from 1997.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jan 19, 2021 20:20:29 GMT
The first set of local elections I recorded was the 2004 locals. In 1995, I had only just bought a computer! I have the live teletext results from 1997. That's interesting, how do you access them once downloaded and saved?
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Jan 19, 2021 20:22:06 GMT
The first set of local elections I recorded was the 2004 locals. In 1995, I had only just bought a computer! I have the live teletext results from 1997. I'm reminded of how the Wiki page for the Kensington and Chelsea by-election of 1999 used to, bizarrely, have an image of the Ceefax page bringing the news that Portillo was to stand.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jan 19, 2021 21:08:17 GMT
That's interesting, how do you access them once downloaded and saved? They are standard teletext pages. 1024 bytes per page, 40 characters by 23/24/25 lines padded to 1024 bytes. zxnet.co.uk/teletext/editor/ only seems to be able to display the first subpage of a file. edit.tf doesn't seem to have an import function. www.fab-online.com/teletext/editor/ haven't tested, but seems like it would support multi-page files. And of course I have to plug my own mdfs.net/System/Teletext/ but you need a BBC or RISC OS machine to run it. I've been meaning to retarget it for Windows and Linux for ages.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 4:42:13 GMT
History of BBC Election Night intros - Intro Collector History
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Jan 22, 2021 10:24:17 GMT
Does anyone know what the viewing figures for various general election night programmes have been? Or, more specifically, the figures for the first hour or so?
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Feb 2, 2021 23:49:18 GMT
Hadn't seen this article before. It gives brief analysis of each of the 2019 election night programmes. www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-laura-kuenssberg-andrew-neil-general-election-day-tv-a4313011.html%3fampI agree about Edwards' lack of charisma, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Of other BBC election night hosts he is probably most comparable to Alastair Burnet in his style. Cliff Michelmore is probably the benchmark as far as charisma goes. ITV having Rallings as an almost co-host was a fairly smart move - the closest thing we have now to the previous BBC format with Sir David Butler. A bit harsh on Dermot and Beth. An egotist such as Bercow was probably always going to outshine them.
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Post by timmullen1 on Feb 3, 2021 0:29:18 GMT
Hadn't seen this article before. It gives brief analysis of each of the 2019 election night programmes. www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-laura-kuenssberg-andrew-neil-general-election-day-tv-a4313011.html%3fampI agree about Edwards' lack of charisma, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Of other BBC election night hosts he is probably most comparable to Alastair Burnet in his style. Cliff Michelmore is probably the benchmark as far as charisma goes. ITV having Rallings as an almost co-host was a fairly smart move - the closest thing we have now to the previous BBC format with Sir David Butler. A bit harsh on Dermot and Beth. An egotist such as Bercow was probably always going to outshine them. I watched it after the event on YouTube and I didn’t think Bercow outshone anybody, he had the odd little bit of info about a Member, and was much better than either Dermot or anyone on the length of time a Red Wall constituency had been Labour. I also liked him because he was the only one mentioning demographic changes in those seats, and the long term Labour decline in some of them. I never got the feeling he was inserting himself into conversations, and there would be long periods when, if they didn’t keep using the same wide angled shot of the desk, he was invisible. For me what the BBC lost by not having Dimbleby, Sky gained by not having Adam Boulton, who just can’t anchor live TV.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 8:24:33 GMT
In the aftermath of the American....everything....I have read a few articles about the popularity of CNN over here. One phrase which stuck with me is how CNN and other American election programmes focus on numbers from the start: percentages, vote share, electoral college votes, and the rest of it; the UK still uses the "interview with hasbeens" model. I wonder if the next election coverage will move away from the interview model to the statistics model?
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Post by timmullen1 on Feb 3, 2021 9:26:26 GMT
In the aftermath of the American....everything....I have read a few articles about the popularity of CNN over here. One phrase which stuck with me is how CNN and other American election programmes focus on numbers from the start: percentages, vote share, electoral college votes, and the rest of it; the UK still uses the "interview with hasbeens" model. I wonder if the next election coverage will move away from the interview model to the statistics model? Hopefully this is a hint to shove the UK broadcasters in the right direction: www.theguardian.com/media/2021/feb/01/cnns-john-king-cult-hero-of-us-election-nominated-for-uk-award?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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Post by jollyroger93 on Feb 3, 2021 9:53:55 GMT
In the aftermath of the American....everything....I have read a few articles about the popularity of CNN over here. One phrase which stuck with me is how CNN and other American election programmes focus on numbers from the start: percentages, vote share, electoral college votes, and the rest of it; the UK still uses the "interview with hasbeens" model. I wonder if the next election coverage will move away from the interview model to the statistics model? Oh god yes please! I always watch Australian elections whether it be state or national, always about the numbers the occasional interview, but mostly just political analysis of the results. And Anthony Greene is an election guru star!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 13:47:09 GMT
Hadn't seen this article before. It gives brief analysis of each of the 2019 election night programmes. www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-laura-kuenssberg-andrew-neil-general-election-day-tv-a4313011.html%3fampI agree about Edwards' lack of charisma, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Of other BBC election night hosts he is probably most comparable to Alastair Burnet in his style. Cliff Michelmore is probably the benchmark as far as charisma goes. ITV having Rallings as an almost co-host was a fairly smart move - the closest thing we have now to the previous BBC format with Sir David Butler. A bit harsh on Dermot and Beth. An egotist such as Bercow was probably always going to outshine them. I watched it after the event on YouTube and I didn’t think Bercow outshone anybody, he had the odd little bit of info about a Member, and was much better than either Dermot or anyone on the length of time a Red Wall constituency had been Labour. I also liked him because he was the only one mentioning demographic changes in those seats, and the long term Labour decline in some of them. I never got the feeling he was inserting himself into conversations, and there would be long periods when, if they didn’t keep using the same wide angled shot of the desk, he was invisible. For me what the BBC lost by not having Dimbleby, Sky gained by not having Adam Boulton, who just can’t anchor live TV. Dimbleby was good in the 80s / 90s but stayed past his sell-by date. Huw Edwards was alright I thought. He plays a straight bat. Tom Bradby is a bit too ‘look at me’, and Robert Peston was as unbearable as always. I’d like to have seen Sky’s coverage, partly out of curiosity about John Bercow’s input, but missed out on that. I don’t get the hate levelled at Laura Kuenssberg. She can be hyperbolic and over-keen on the flowery language, trying to be a bit Shakespearean at times and come up with a memorable line for the camera, but most political correspondents are like that (Nick Robinson was very bad for that). Jeremy Vine was perhaps better than on some of his previous outings, but he’s not a patch on Peter Snow. Ultimately I thought ITV was better than BBC because there seemed more coverage of results and better analysis. I look with envy at the programmes of the 50s / 60s where they showed masses of results on screen, including the safe holds. Oh and the map outside Broadcasting House with Sophie Raworth is pointless when they can can show the map with Jeremy Vine. Too many different elements for the sake of it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 14:03:33 GMT
Oh and one thing which has definitely gone down hill is the quality and depth of the online analysis. The 2005 BBC election results page hasn’t been matched since, in my view.
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Feb 3, 2021 14:55:50 GMT
I watched it after the event on YouTube and I didn’t think Bercow outshone anybody, he had the odd little bit of info about a Member, and was much better than either Dermot or anyone on the length of time a Red Wall constituency had been Labour. I also liked him because he was the only one mentioning demographic changes in those seats, and the long term Labour decline in some of them. I never got the feeling he was inserting himself into conversations, and there would be long periods when, if they didn’t keep using the same wide angled shot of the desk, he was invisible. For me what the BBC lost by not having Dimbleby, Sky gained by not having Adam Boulton, who just can’t anchor live TV. Dimbleby was good in the 80s / 90s but stayed past his sell-by date. Huw Edwards was alright I thought. He plays a straight bat. Tom Bradby is a bit too ‘look at me’, and Robert Peston was as unbearable as always. I’d like to have seen Sky’s coverage, partly out of curiosity about John Bercow’s input, but missed out on that. I don’t get the hate levelled at Laura Kuenssberg. She can be hyperbolic and over-keen on the flowery language, trying to be a bit Shakespearean at times and come up with a memorable line for the camera, but most political correspondents are like that (Nick Robinson was very bad for that). Jeremy Vine was perhaps better than on some of his previous outings, but he’s not a patch on Peter Snow. Ultimately I thought ITV was better than BBC because there seemed more coverage of results and better analysis. I look with envy at the programmes of the 50s / 60s where they showed masses of results on screen, including the safe holds. Oh and the map outside Broadcasting House with Sophie Raworth is pointless when they can can show the map with Jeremy Vine. Too many different elements for the sake of it. Dimbleby signed off the 2005 coverage with the same line, IIRC, as his father did in 1964 (his last election night), so I wonder if his original plan was for 2005 to be his last.
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