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Post by mrhell on Dec 5, 2014 23:16:41 GMT
Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn dies of pneumonia in 1818 instead of 1820. Victoria is never born (the only reason she was born was the desperate hunt for an heir after Princess Charlotte the daughter of George IV died in 1817).
The new king would be Ernest Augustus I (in fact Ernest Augustus V would now be the king of Britain). This would be very important as Salic law wouldn't have been invoked so the British and Hanoverian crowns would not have been separated. In real life the family lost their Hanoverian titles by siding with Austria vs Prussia in 1866 and their British titles by siding with during Germany vs Britain in WW1.
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Post by johnloony on Dec 6, 2014 6:14:55 GMT
Whoever became king or queen instead of Victoria would have settled in the UK and become anglicised, just as Victoria herself sort-of did.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 6, 2014 10:45:45 GMT
On a related note- what if Princess Charlotte delivers a live son, or at the least does not die, and succeeds to the throne? Does Ernest Augustus inherit Hanover under those circumstances as well, I presume?
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Post by Devonian on Dec 7, 2014 12:12:05 GMT
The Duke of Cumberland was a leading ultra Tory and something of a hate figure for the Whigs. I wonder if Victoria had not been born and the Duke had been due to inherit instead if it might have tempted the Whig party of the 1830s to turn to republicanism.
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 7, 2014 12:22:34 GMT
The Duke of Cumberland was a leading ultra Tory and something of a hate figure for the Whigs. I wonder if Victoria had not been born and the Duke had been due to inherit instead if it might have tempted the Whig party of the 1830s to turn to republicanism. As William IV said of his brother: "Ernest is not a bad fellow, but if anyone has a corn, he will be sure to tread on it.” I think if he'd become king virtually the whole country might have turned to republicanism....
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Post by Tangent on Dec 7, 2014 23:49:06 GMT
Whoever became king or queen instead of Victoria would have settled in the UK and become anglicised, just as Victoria herself sort-of did. The Duke of Cumberland was no need of anglicisation - he only took up residence in Hanover once he succeeded. But his ultra-Toryism, along with the public scandals, such as the killing of his valet, and the unpleasant sexual rumours which followed him about, would have been a serious problem. As finsobruce suggests, I think republicanism would have been much stronger under him - and, had William predeceased him, he would have fought political reform so violently that revolution would have been a possibility.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Dec 8, 2014 9:02:20 GMT
Whoever became king or queen instead of Victoria would have settled in the UK and become anglicised, just as Victoria herself sort-of did. The Duke of Cumberland was no need of anglicisation - he only took up residence in Hanover once he succeeded. But his ultra-Toryism, along with the public scandals, such as the killing of his valet, and the unpleasant sexual rumours which followed him about, would have been a serious problem. As finsobruce suggests, I think republicanism would have been much stronger under him - and, had William predeceased him, he would have fought political reform so violently that revolution would have been a possibility. All rumours and allegations. Early traces of the Lib Dems' predecessors' campaigning techniques?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 8, 2014 9:29:32 GMT
The Duke of Cumberland was no need of anglicisation - he only took up residence in Hanover once he succeeded. But his ultra-Toryism, along with the public scandals, such as the killing of his valet, and the unpleasant sexual rumours which followed him about, would have been a serious problem. As finsobruce suggests, I think republicanism would have been much stronger under him - and, had William predeceased him, he would have fought political reform so violently that revolution would have been a possibility. All rumours and allegations. Early traces of the Lib Dems' predecessors' campaigning techniques? This has been going on ever since Pharaoh Akhenaten was the target of a Focus papyrus.
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Post by Tangent on Dec 8, 2014 11:46:01 GMT
All rumours and allegations. Early traces of the Lib Dems' predecessors' campaigning techniques? This has been going on ever since Pharaoh Akhenaten was the target of a Focus papyrus. To be fair, the incident where he was supposed to have raped one of his sisters seems to have no basis in fact. But Lady Lyndhurst, the wife of the Lord Chancellor, did directly speak about his attempt to rape her, according to Greville's diaries.
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 8, 2014 13:40:21 GMT
All rumours and allegations. Early traces of the Lib Dems' predecessors' campaigning techniques? This has been going on ever since Pharaoh Akhenaten was the target of a Focus papyrus. did it contain a hieroglyphic bar chart?
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Dec 8, 2014 13:42:20 GMT
I think hieroglyphs make more sense than the average Focus bar chart.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Dec 8, 2014 15:22:16 GMT
Ernest Augustus did have two younger brothers. Plenty of eighteenth-century liberals around Europe sought to replace despots with more pliable siblings rather than with republics. A similar thing might have happened in Britain, although its long-term political significance would depend upon whether Ernest Augustus was equally unpopular on both sides of the North Sea.
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Post by mrhell on Dec 8, 2014 16:20:46 GMT
One of the brothers had already contravened the Royal Marriage Act. The other one went on to marry an actress but I suspect that might have happened if he was already King!
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 8, 2014 23:23:57 GMT
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 8, 2014 23:59:11 GMT
What has Anubis ever done for us?
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Post by Khunanup on Dec 9, 2014 1:33:08 GMT
I wouldn't know about that particular campaign, I was running Atum's office at the time... en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AtumThough obviously my greatest campaigning victory was over the uber right wing, authoritarian Tory Nemtynakht who got his comeuppance! I'm not sure about the governments during the rest of Ancient Egypt, but whoever was chief minister to Ramesses III in November 1152BCE was clearly Labour judging by the way they caved into striking workers. The beginning of the end for the pharoahs as it happens...
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Post by mrhell on Dec 9, 2014 5:11:47 GMT
After the Battle of Kadesh in 1274BC both the Egyptians and the Hittites claimed victory after what was probably a draw. Early political spin.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 9, 2014 8:51:01 GMT
I'm not sure about the governments during the rest of Ancient Egypt, but whoever was chief minister to Ramesses III in November 1152BCE was clearly Labour judging by the way they caved into striking workers. The beginning of the end for the pharoahs as it happens... The Akhet of Discontent?
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Dec 9, 2014 10:17:48 GMT
One of the brothers had already contravened the Royal Marriage Act. The other one went on to marry an actress but I suspect that might have happened if he was already King! In the event of a revolution, I can't imagine people would care too much about the Royal Marriage Act. Particularly since George IV had already breached it, and it's not like George III's predecessors lived lives of wedded bliss. The act was primarily about George III wanting to control his relatives, and in the aftermath of a newly absolutist monarchy, it's unlikely a new regime would have had much sympathy for that view.
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