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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 13, 2014 18:30:54 GMT
Exalt to Kris for providing us with a new sub-forum. Hopefully this will be a useful place to discuss how political history may have panned out differently, and bounce ideas around. I know Richard Cromwell and iainbhx are interested, and I look forward to seeing what gets thrown up, and will probably put some of my own stuff up in the near future. |
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Post by thirdchill on Oct 13, 2014 18:34:01 GMT
Top of the list is surely 'What if John Major had lost in 1992?'.
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1 term labour government if they didn't handle the ERM exit well economically or politically.
3 term labour government if they did (aided by good economic growth). John Smith either standing down after a term and a half in office or sadly passing away in office.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 13, 2014 18:52:00 GMT
Top of the list is surely 'What if John Major had lost in 1992?'. Either: 1 term labour government if they didn't handle the ERM exit well economically or politically. 3 term labour government if they did (aided by good economic growth). John Smith either standing down after a term and a half in office or sadly passing away in office. That'd be a good one. Unless anyone objects, can I propose that each question is raised as a thread to itself? |
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Post by Ben Walker on Oct 13, 2014 18:59:03 GMT
Lovely stuff. If anyone hasn't already, and if you're interested in alternate history in general (not just electoral), I'd recommend popping over to AlternateHistory.com who do have some pretty good discussions and timelines. Here's some pretty alternate election/political timelines I recommend: Were you still up for Balls?: 'what if' Cleggmania decided to stick around. (written by resident iainbhx) The Fourth Lectern: 'what if' UKIP got onto the 2010 leaders debates, which continues onto... Maybe the horse will learn to sing/The Fifth Lectern: a continuation of the above timeline which brings the Greens onto the leaders debates. I am legend: Boris Johnson loses the '08 London Mayoralty. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 19:13:27 GMT
I would imagine most contributors here will be aware of the book Prime Minister Portillo - and other things that never happened.  It features (among other things); Liberal Party disappearing in the 1950s. Conservatives winning a fourth term in 1964. Labour winning in 1970. Ted Heath resigning as Conservative leader in 1974. Callaghan calling a general election in October 1978. Roy Jenkins joining the Liberal Party in 1981 Tony Benn ousting Denis Healey as Deputy Labour leader in 1981 The Liberal-SDP Alliance getting more votes than Labour in 1983. John Smith living after 1994. Michael Portillo retaining Enfield Southgate in 1997. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 20:08:29 GMT
I would imagine most contributors here will be aware of the book Prime Minister Portillo - and other things that never happened. It features (among other things); Liberal Party disappearing in the 1950s. Conservatives winning a fourth term in 1964. Labour winning in 1970. Ted Heath resigning as Conservative leader in 1974. Callaghan calling a general election in October 1978.Roy Jenkins joining the Liberal Party in 1981 Tony Benn ousting Denis Healey as Deputy Labour leader in 1981 The Liberal-SDP Alliance getting more votes than Labour in 1983. John Smith living after 1994. Michael Portillo retaining Enfield Southgate in 1997. Must be one of the few alternative histories I think about along with Hitler being assassinated. |
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Post by iain on Oct 13, 2014 20:11:08 GMT
The election that never was (Brown)
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Post by iainbhx on Oct 13, 2014 20:17:57 GMT
I may cross-post the upcoming 'Azure" 1982 general election here; but I would probably have to explain what an Alien Space Bat is first :-)
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Post by neilm on Oct 13, 2014 21:03:01 GMT
Perhaps this thread can be made a sticky?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 13, 2014 21:05:52 GMT
I may cross-post the upcoming 'Azure" 1982 general election here; but I would probably have to explain what an Alien Space Bat is first :-) Tough on Alien Space Bats, tough on the causes of Alien Space Bats. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Oct 14, 2014 10:59:47 GMT
Top of the list is surely 'What if John Major had lost in 1992?'. Either: 1 term labour government if they didn't handle the ERM exit well economically or politically. 3 term labour government if they did (aided by good economic growth). John Smith either standing down after a term and a half in office or sadly passing away in office. How do you get Smith into No.10 with Kinnock winning in 1992? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 11:26:12 GMT
Davıd Boothroyd wrote a masterful alternate history, which I now cannot find - David, how about posting a link?
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 14, 2014 11:31:34 GMT
The seminal "What if Gordon Banks had played?" has (admittedly understandably, given its author) vanished into the ether as well  |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 14, 2014 11:35:54 GMT
Davıd Boothroyd wrote a masterful alternate history, which I now cannot find - David, how about posting a link? Did I? Don't remember it. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 14, 2014 11:43:23 GMT
The seminal "What if Gordon Banks had played?" has (admittedly understandably, given its author) vanished into the ether as well Why is it understandable given its author? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 13:06:17 GMT
Davıd Boothroyd wrote a masterful alternate history, which I now cannot find - David, how about posting a link? Did I? Don't remember it. HOops, misremembered. As soon as The Bish had posted the title in the next post, I remembered it - not by you, of course. Sorry for the confusion. |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Oct 14, 2014 13:34:18 GMT
It will not be today or tomorrow (as I am in Carmarthen all day) but on Thursday could I start one on what could have happened after the European Elections of 1989?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 14, 2014 14:02:02 GMT
No we forbid you to do that Harry
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 15:17:33 GMT
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Post by Richard Cromwell on Oct 14, 2014 21:22:50 GMT
I'll try to get around to having a go at a Mosley premiership (Labour or New Party, but probably Labour for plausibility's sake).
Before then, however, I'm looking into the idea of the Stresa Front surviving into the 1940s. I got the idea from Patrick Buchanan's book 'Chuchill, Hitler and the Unnesecessary War' and I'll be tempering it with more general research and a book I'm currently reading (Richard Lamb's 'Mussolini As Diplomat: Il Duce's Italy On The World Stage'). I'll post whatever I come up with on the other site, however, as it doesn't quite fit in with the tone of what I think you're going for here (which seems to be focused on British electoral and governmental history).
A few other ideas I've been toying with were; a stronger National Front performance (probably at the 1979 election), a more successful follow-up to the Declaration of Venice (would require a considerable amount of work), a more successful launch of the Socialist Labour Party (though, per my bias, I'll probably stay away from this one), a Labour victory at the 1983 GE (though, I imagine this is a popular scenario, so I'd defer to more learned figures on here if they were inclined to pick it up) and a Powell premiership.
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