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Post by neilm on Mar 21, 2014 13:49:46 GMT
Except anyone other than Blair would not have taken part in the war in Iraq. I wouldn't be so sure about that. It's a mistaken assumption that everyone was against British participation in the liberation of Iraq except for Tony Blair and his supporters. Gordon Brown said explicitly at a news conference during the 2005 election that he would have taken the same decision, and shortly before the 2010 election he said that going to war was the right decision. And remember also, that the majority of the public supported the Government's policy at the time. One of the few things that Brown was right about during Labour's time in office. Weren't the Lib Dems also in favour at one stage? |
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Post by neilm on Mar 21, 2014 13:51:10 GMT
Probably because its the only way that someone who looks like this  gets to shag someone who looks like this  Following in his predecessor's footsteps. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 9:27:26 GMT
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Post by Crimson King on Apr 1, 2014 11:50:19 GMT
gives you something to hold on to
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 14:27:26 GMT
Too skinny for me I like CUDDLY ladies!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 12:05:28 GMT
Just browsing the Defections board and saw this thread. I wonder if Owen now regrets donating £7.5k to the Labour Party two years ago. I was surprised by his enthusiasm for Ed Miliband's leadership; surely the ascension of Corbyn really is beyond the pale.
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 24, 2016 12:12:44 GMT
He was actually very supportive of Miliband. And hasn't even been totally dismissive of Jez.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 22:01:14 GMT
Corbyn is the outcome of his OMOV campaign. Be careful what you wish for.
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 26, 2016 23:18:58 GMT
He's never been politically predictable. He is reasonably Eurosceptic and does not believe in any private involvement in the NHS for example
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Post by Khunanup on Jan 27, 2016 0:14:54 GMT
Doctor Death and a Corbyn led Labour Party seem made for each other...
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Post by johnsmith on Jan 27, 2016 0:16:45 GMT
He's never been politically predictable. He is reasonably Eurosceptic and does not believe in any private involvement in the NHS for example He also advocated voting Tory instead of Labour in 1992. He'll cause trouble in any prominent role within the party. If he wants to lend us his support, great. But he did the party great damage in the 80s, and tried to destroy and supplant it because he disagreed with it, instead of fighting for change from within. We need to think long and hard before seriously allowing him back. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 27, 2016 0:20:02 GMT
Doctor Death and a Corbyn led Labour Party seem made for each other... It's got the same cosmic level of irony as when Brian Sedgemore defected from Labour to the Liberal Democrats, thereby joining all the ex-SDP people who had left Labour because it was full of people like Brian Sedgemore. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 27, 2016 8:26:33 GMT
Doctor Death and a Corbyn led Labour Party seem made for each other... It's got the same cosmic level of irony as when Brian Sedgemore defected from Labour to the Liberal Democrats, thereby joining all the ex-SDP people who had left Labour because it was full of people like Brian Sedgemore. I will have mentioned this before, but my claim to fame is that I was sat behind him when he publicly defected. What a miserable, rude character. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 27, 2016 10:47:44 GMT
He's never been politically predictable. He is reasonably Eurosceptic and does not believe in any private involvement in the NHS for example He also advocated voting Tory instead of Labour in 1992. He'll cause trouble in any prominent role within the party. If he wants to lend us his support, great. But he did the party great damage in the 80s, and tried to destroy and supplant it because he disagreed with it, instead of fighting for change from within. We need to think long and hard before seriously allowing him back. He is hardly in a position to do that now - take on a prominent role. He has always been something of a maverick in any case, he doesn't really fit easily into party categories and in many ways he is turned to for opinion largely because of this. I don't think he is all that important all told |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 27, 2016 10:59:16 GMT
Corbyn is the outcome of his OMOV campaign. Be careful what you wish for. IIRC he was actually asked a question along those lines and said something to the effect of "so be it, it will be best for the party in the long run". It wasn't really "his" campaign though, was it? Not in recent years anyway - it was the Blairites who made a cause celebre of Falkirk and demanded changes  |
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Post by johnsmith on Jan 27, 2016 11:05:40 GMT
He also advocated voting Tory instead of Labour in 1992. He'll cause trouble in any prominent role within the party. If he wants to lend us his support, great. But he did the party great damage in the 80s, and tried to destroy and supplant it because he disagreed with it, instead of fighting for change from within. We need to think long and hard before seriously allowing him back. He is hardly in a position to do that now - take on a prominent role. He has always been something of a maverick in any case, he doesn't really fit easily into party categories and in many ways he is turned to for opinion largely because of this. I don't think he is all that important all told Well yes, I suppose so. You've persuaded me very quickly on this one. If it is possible for me to change my vote in a moment I will do so. I suppose that I myself lent my support to the Lib Dems for a time. And I believe you left the Labour party for a bit yourself - presumably supporting somebody else in the interim? So who am I to say that he cannot join? I of course am far too unimportant to do any damage, even if I came out in support of the abolition of democracy and the reintroduction of torture. I'd quickly be laughed off as an irrelevant knob head. David Owen, though, does have a much higher public profile than you or I ever will, and could not be laughed off so easily if he said something damaging. That was the root cause of my concern. But yeah, he is a much less important figure now than he was. So let's let bygones be bygones, and if he wants to join the party, welcome him with open arms. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 11:07:41 GMT
It wasn't really "his" campaign though, was it? Not in recent years anyway - it was the Blairites who made a cause celebre of Falkirk and demanded changes Then classily tried to blame it all on Miliband. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 11:08:49 GMT
Worth remembering that a lot of people now actively involved in Labour won't really know who David Owen is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 11:14:37 GMT
Corbyn is the outcome of his OMOV campaign. Be careful what you wish for. IIRC he was actually asked a question along those lines and said something to the effect of "so be it, it will be best for the party in the long run". It wasn't really "his" campaign though, was it? Not in recent years anyway - it was the Blairites who made a cause celebre of Falkirk and demanded changes He announced his support of Ed Miliband on the basis of the OMOV decision and suggested (although I think there is a lot of history rewriting going on) that he wouldn't have defected if it had been introduced in 1981. I agree, not just his campaign though. |
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Post by johnsmith on Jan 27, 2016 11:19:59 GMT
Worth remembering that a lot of people now actively involved in Labour won't really know who David Owen is. Very true. I was only 16 when the gang of four left Labour and founded the SDP. And that was a very long time ago because I am 50 now! David Owen was a fairly prominent figure in politics for much of the 80s, but largely disappeared off the scene not too long after. He did crop up in the 90s in connection with his involvement in trying to broker a peace deal in the former Yugoslavia, but has not really been a prominent figure since. Many people much younger than their late 30s might well never have heard of him. |
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