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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 19:19:08 GMT
A poll for Labour supporters of this site. Obviously I can't stop non-Labour members voting and I'd probably post this in their forum if I had access to it.
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Post by markgoodair on Mar 3, 2014 19:40:58 GMT
Does anyone in the Labour party really care?
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Post by greatkingrat on Mar 3, 2014 20:41:28 GMT
Indeed, it's not like he has been given any sort of official role, he has just chosen to support a particular party.
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Post by maxque on Mar 4, 2014 2:18:11 GMT
No party is going to reject a voter, but, if he tried to run in an internal Labour election, he would lose.
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Post by Rose Tinted Lane on Mar 4, 2014 11:51:32 GMT
I welcome him back on the same grounds. Big tents win elections and welcoming centre-ground, consensus-seeking, proven democratic types into the party is good for our image. £7,500 isn't to be sniffed at either.  |
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Post by froome on Mar 4, 2014 11:56:01 GMT
Does it cost that much to join now!  |
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Post by Rose Tinted Lane on Mar 4, 2014 12:10:26 GMT
UK average salary is £26,500 - less than a third of the average salary is surely not too much to ask to secure the future of the labour movement, comrade?!
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 4, 2014 12:30:37 GMT
Does it cost that much to join now! special coming back after over thirty years rate... |
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Post by keithn on Mar 4, 2014 13:05:56 GMT
1966 - becomes Labour MP
1981 - leaves Labour to form the Social Democratic Party
1988 - leaves the Social Democratic Party to form the other Social Democratic Party
1990 - dissolves the other Social Democratic Party (although they carry on without him to this day)
1992 election - comes out in support of John Major's Conservatives (as Paddy Ashdown said 'it's their turn').
1992 - joins the Lords as a crossbencher
2014 - donates to the Labour party
You have to admit it. That is fast footwork!
Churchill once said (talking of his own two defections) 'Anyone can rat, but it takes a certain amount of ingenuity to re-rat'. David Owen's re-re-ratting has reached legendary status.
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Post by thirdchill on Mar 4, 2014 14:13:44 GMT
Churchill's first defection was over tariff reform, he took the free market position and defected to the liberals. Not sure of his reasons for the second defection.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 4, 2014 14:29:38 GMT
Churchill's first defection was over tariff reform, he took the free market position and defected to the liberals. Not sure of his reasons for the second defection. Churchill had sided with Lloyd George in the Liberal split of 1916, and had served in Lloyd George's government from 1917 until its end in 1922. He lost his seat in the ensuing election, standing as a National Liberal. In the 1923 election, after the shotgun reconciliation of the two Liberal factions, Churchill stood unsuccessfully in Leicester West. The main issue at that election was free trade v. tariff reform so this did not cause any problems. Then the Liberals decided to support a Labour government into office. Churchill immediately started trying to work for a reconciliation of anti-Labour forces (something the Conservatives and Lloyd George Liberals had been talking about before the Coalition broke up). He supported the Conservative candidate at the Burnley byelection in February 1924 (a straight fight between Labour and Conservative). He was then mentioned as a possible Conservative candidate for the Abbey division of Westminster but refused to attend a hustings meeting if it was a contested selection, and stood instead as an Independent Anti-Socialist candidate (narrowly failing to win the seat). In September, Epping Unionist Association announced that it had adopted Churchill as their candidate for the next election, in place of the sitting MP who was standing down. Churchill however stood not as a Conservative but as a 'Constitutionalist'. When he won he was surprised to be invited by Baldwin and offered the job of Chancellor. Apparently Churchill first thought that Baldwin must mean the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Mar 4, 2014 14:47:02 GMT
UK average salary is £26,500 - less than a third of the average salary is surely not too much to ask to secure the future of the labour movement, comrade?! I've always seen that quoted (and used it) as average (as in median) household income, not average salary. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2014 18:16:49 GMT
1966 - becomes Labour MP 1981 - leaves Labour to form the Social Democratic Party 1988 - leaves the Social Democratic Party to form the other Social Democratic Party 1990 - dissolves the other Social Democratic Party (although they carry on without him to this day) 1992 election - comes out in support of John Major's Conservatives (as Paddy Ashdown said 'it's their turn'). 1992 - joins the Lords as a crossbencher 2014 - donates to the Labour party You have to admit it. That is fast footwork! Churchill once said (talking of his own two defections) 'Anyone can rat, but it takes a certain amount of ingenuity to re-rat'. David Owen's re-re-ratting has reached legendary status. It ought to be remembered he was also Foreign Secretary in the Callaghan government. Dr. Owen was very lucky to last as long as he did. They are a lot of "what ifs" where he is concerned. If fortune had smiled differently he could easily have lost Plymouth, Devonport in 1979 - but he survived on a below average swing. Had he lost, would there still have been an SDP? And even if he had returned in a by-election he may well have lost his seat in 1983 just like most of his colleagues. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2014 23:12:38 GMT
Having, I guess, inadvertantly started this thread after expressing my thoughts on this matter, I have voted that I would welcome him back. The repentant sinner and all that - I also realised I am much happier with Dr Owen than I ever was with Shaun Woodward.
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Post by johnr on Mar 5, 2014 9:46:28 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 5, 2014 10:08:42 GMT
But I think it is a median, not a mean.
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Post by justin124 on Mar 5, 2014 10:42:14 GMT
How many of those willing to accept Owen's return would have taken the same view had Oswald Moseley wished to rejoin Labour in the 1960s or 70s?
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 5, 2014 10:58:02 GMT
I can see some *slight* differences between the two, tbh.....
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Post by justin124 on Mar 5, 2014 11:03:41 GMT
Moseley had not always been a fascist! Would he not be entitled to change his mind again?
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Post by J.G.Harston on Mar 5, 2014 12:52:15 GMT
Digging through the data, 2012/2013 median household income is £24,000; median personal income is £26,000. |
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