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Post by tonygreaves on May 2, 2014 16:01:24 GMT
No, Reagans are stupid people.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 16:07:55 GMT
No, Reagans are stupid people. Whilst not being a fan, it could be said that Reagan was clever but his voters were stupid people - not something of which we could accuse the voters of Pendle constituency in 1997.
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Post by Sibboleth on May 2, 2014 16:35:43 GMT
No it couldn't. Reagan was an idiot, albeit one who was also a genuinely skilled performer. He had to have special cartoons made in order to understand Pentagon policy.
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Post by greenchristian on May 2, 2014 21:05:40 GMT
Its quite possible that more than half of people are below the average. If 9 people each had an IQ of 98 and the 10th person had an IQ of 120 then the average IQ in that group would be 100 and 90% would be below average Indeed but I think we are talking a population sized sample, and I believe IQ is by definition normally distributed (or is so in practice) so the mean, median and mode are pretty much the same In practice the mean is actually slightly lower than the median and the mode, simply because of the small minority of people who have suffered brain damage. But that aside, yes IQ is normally distributed.
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Post by Richard Allen on May 2, 2014 21:45:12 GMT
Well judging by the myriad of ways UKIP voters managed to put their mark in the wrong place in the County Elections when there wasn't a spoiler party at the top of the ballot, and when the ballot paper was small enough to look at it one glance, and there wasn't the risk of a folded up bit at the bottom hiding UKIP as there was in 2009, I really don't share your confidence. How did you know that they were UKIP voters? As for the ability of the electorate to vote correctly, let's not forget that half of them are of below average intelligence. Warning, the below video contains bad language
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Post by carlton43 on May 2, 2014 23:38:23 GMT
Indeed but I think we are talking a population sized sample, and I believe IQ is by definition normally distributed (or is so in practice) so the mean, median and mode are pretty much the same In practice the mean is actually slightly lower than the median and the mode, simply because of the small minority of people who have suffered brain damage. But that aside, yes IQ is normally distributed. IQ being measured on what basis and what scale? Just what evidence from what samples are you basing that upon? And lastly the wonderful phrase '...normally distributed...' meaning exactly what?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 23:47:25 GMT
In practice the mean is actually slightly lower than the median and the mode, simply because of the small minority of people who have suffered brain damage. But that aside, yes IQ is normally distributed. IQ being measured on what basis and what scale? Just what evidence from what samples are you basing that upon? And lastly the wonderful phrase '...n ormally distributed...' meaning exactly what?A Gaussian Function.
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Post by carlton43 on May 3, 2014 0:08:22 GMT
IQ being measured on what basis and what scale? Just what evidence from what samples are you basing that upon? And lastly the wonderful phrase '...n ormally distributed...' meaning exactly what?A Gaussian Function. Joe, I am humble enough to seek the short course or a pointer to one. Aside from that, I was rather alluding to the fissiparous nature of IQ and what it is and means. I know what I meant to convey but I am not getting it across. I don't think the point is worth pursuing.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2014 0:20:50 GMT
Joe, I am humble enough to seek the short course or a pointer to one. Aside from that, I was rather alluding to the fissiparous nature of IQ and what it is and means. I know what I meant to convey but I am not getting it across. I don't think the point is worth pursuing. I totally agree with your point - was just pointing out that the phrase "normal distribution" has a very exact statistical meaning.
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Post by Devonian on May 3, 2014 7:13:53 GMT
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Lab 30% UKIP 27% Con 22% LD 9% Green 8% SNP/PC 3% BNP 1% Other 1%
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Post by Harry Hayfield on May 3, 2014 7:44:04 GMT
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Lab 30% UKIP 27% Con 22% LD 9% Green 8% SNP/PC 3% BNP 1% Other 1% That would give us (in terms of local areas) 141 Labour, 117 UKIP, 98 Con, 16 SNP, 5 Plaid, 2 Lib Dems and 1 Green and in terms of MEP's Lab 27, UKIP 21, Con 15, Green 2, SNP 2, Lib Dem 1, Plaid 1
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Post by greenchristian on May 3, 2014 8:40:44 GMT
In practice the mean is actually slightly lower than the median and the mode, simply because of the small minority of people who have suffered brain damage. But that aside, yes IQ is normally distributed. IQ being measured on what basis and what scale? Just what evidence from what samples are you basing that upon? And lastly the wonderful phrase '...normally distributed...' meaning exactly what? normal distributionAnd IQ as measured by IQ tests. The different IQ scales all follow a normal distribution, but they do differ in which number correlates to which percentile.
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Post by carlton43 on May 3, 2014 10:04:21 GMT
IQ being measured on what basis and what scale? Just what evidence from what samples are you basing that upon? And lastly the wonderful phrase '...normally distributed...' meaning exactly what? normal distributionAnd IQ as measured by IQ tests. The different IQ scales all follow a normal distribution, but they do differ in which number correlates to which percentile. Are you implying that whichever of the conflicting methodologies of testing employed, that there is within all such a similar conformity within the distribution of results, however such results are displayed?
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Post by Pimpernal on May 3, 2014 11:37:35 GMT
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Lab 30% UKIP 27% Con 22% LD 9% Green 8% SNP/PC 3% BNP 1% Other 1% I think this is more realistic than the other recent Euro Polls...
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Post by Richard Allen on May 3, 2014 11:41:14 GMT
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Lab 30% UKIP 27% Con 22% LD 9% Green 8% SNP/PC 3% BNP 1% Other 1% I think this is more realistic than the other recent Euro Polls... I agree. I think UKIP's ceiling is somewhere around 30%. The big thing is whether or not they can just pip Labour for top spot. From a PR perspective that makes all the difference.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2014 12:09:26 GMT
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Lab 30% UKIP 27% Con 22% LD 9% Green 8% SNP/PC 3% BNP 1% Other 1% I think this is more realistic than the other recent Euro Polls... Were not the other polls based on '100% to vote' which is kind of strange as it eliminates those likely to vote
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Post by greenchristian on May 3, 2014 12:34:06 GMT
normal distributionAnd IQ as measured by IQ tests. The different IQ scales all follow a normal distribution, but they do differ in which number correlates to which percentile. Are you implying that whichever of the conflicting methodologies of testing employed, that there is within all such a similar conformity within the distribution of results, however such results are displayed? The methods of testing are pretty much the same - IQ tests use the same kind and style of question regardless of what scale the score is calibrated to. The difference in the scales is similar to the difference between a test marked out of 100 and a test market out of 200. One will have a flatter results curve than the other.
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Post by Devonian on May 3, 2014 12:35:12 GMT
I think this is more realistic than the other recent Euro Polls... Were not the other polls based on '100% to vote' which is kind of strange as it eliminates those likely to vote From the same poll
Certainty to vote 5-10
Lab 29% UKIP 28% Con 21% LD 10% Green 8% SNP/PC 3% BNP 1% Other 1%
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Lab 28% UKIP 28% Con 21% LD 10% Green 8% SNP/PC 3% BNP 0% Other 1%
Certainty to vote 10/10 Lab 30% UKIP 29% Con 20% LD 10% Green 8% SNP/PC 4% BNP 0% Other 1%
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2014 12:48:05 GMT
so no real difference then, thanks.
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Post by marksenior on May 3, 2014 14:10:46 GMT
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Lab 30% UKIP 27% Con 22% LD 9% Green 8% SNP/PC 3% BNP 1% Other 1% I think this is more realistic than the other recent Euro Polls... Note the VI question was not quite the standard one . It is debatable that the slight variation in wording is a slight prompt for Greens and other minor parties .
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