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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 28, 2023 14:15:53 GMT
there was IIRC a candidate who stood in every Cardiff seat in 1997 too 2005 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 15:03:15 GMT
there was IIRC a candidate who stood in every Cardiff seat in 1997 too 2005 Yeah. And wasn't it done away with, not so much out of a feeling of 'it fiddles the system,' but more the practical reason of 'think of the pain in the neck it'll be if the candidate dies pre-poll' as happened that year in South Staffordshire? |
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Post by johnloony on Feb 28, 2023 17:15:36 GMT
What happened as far as standing for more than one seat is concerned? Was there actual legislation against it or did it just organically die out as a widespread practice?? It was banned by the same bit of legislation which limited the circumstances in which the death of a candidate delays the election in a constituency (the Cormack amendment). |
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Post by islington on Feb 28, 2023 21:38:13 GMT
Who was the last sitting PM to lose their seat - Balfour? Yes, I believe so. MacDonald retired just before his defeat in 1935. In the Victorian era, when politicians stood in more than one seat, defeats in one seat must have happened. Balfour wasn't incumbent PM when he lost in Manchester E in the 1906 GE. His government had resigned in December 1905 so he was LotO, not PM. |
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Post by matureleft on Feb 28, 2023 22:16:58 GMT
Yes, I believe so. MacDonald retired just before his defeat in 1935. In the Victorian era, when politicians stood in more than one seat, defeats in one seat must have happened. Balfour wasn't incumbent PM when he lost in Manchester E in the 1906 GE. His government had resigned in December 1905 so he was LotO, not PM. Indeed. I’d forgotten that miscalculation. He had a comfortable majority in narrow party terms but the Conservatives were fighting one of their enduring internal battles on free trade, so his position wasn’t “comfortable” in a broader sense. He assumed that the Liberals would attempt to govern until the next election. Instead, and viewed from modern eyes that’s the obvious choice when faced with a tired and divided opposition, they simply asked the King for an election. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 28, 2023 22:23:40 GMT
Who was the last sitting PM to lose their seat - Balfour? No sitting PM has ever lost their seat. The nearest are Gladstone losing South West Lancashire on his way into government in 1868 (but he also stood in Greenwich and was elected there), Balfour losing his in 1906 shortly after leaving office and MacDonald losing his in 1935 a few months after leaving Number 10. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 28, 2023 22:43:06 GMT
Balfour wasn't incumbent PM when he lost in Manchester E in the 1906 GE. His government had resigned in December 1905 so he was LotO, not PM. Indeed. I’d forgotten that miscalculation. He had a comfortable majority in narrow party terms but the Conservatives were fighting one of their enduring internal battles on free trade, so his position wasn’t “comfortable” in a broader sense. He assumed that the Liberals would attempt to govern until the next election. Instead, and viewed from modern eyes that’s the obvious choice when faced with a tired and divided opposition, they simply asked the King for an election. The reason for Balfour resigning was that it was widely assumed within the Unionists that the Liberal split between Liberal Imperialists and Pro-Boers would reopen when the party had to form a government. The Unionists knew perfectly well they were heading for defeat in the general election whenever it happened, and that the Liberals would immediately seek a dissolution, so forced them to form a government before the dissolution. Balfour also timed his resignation on 5 December so there would have to be a few weeks before the dissolution because of Christmas and New Year holidays (the actual dissolution was on 8 January), so allowing space for the Liberals to have a really big falling out. Balfour miscalculated because the Liberal split was essentially healed by this point, and agreement was quickly reached - though note that it did require a formal summit meeting between leading Liberals, showing this was a genuine issue. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 28, 2023 22:45:33 GMT
The 1924 GE saw Ramsay MacDonald (incumbent) in Aberavon, Stanley Baldwin in Bewdley, David Lloyd George in Carnarvon Boroughs, and HH Asquith in Paisley. Asquith was defeated (like most Liberals in 1924). The others were all reelected. I'm inclined to think this must have been the all-time record because once you go much farther back you find a lot of PMs were in the Lords and were not subject to the undignified business of submitting themselves to the verdict of the lowly rabble. Off the top of my head the ex PMs who restood for the Commons in general elections before the Second World War were: George Grenville 1768 Lord North 1784 William Pitt the Younger 1802 Sir Robert Peel 1837, 1841, 1847 Lord John Russell 1852, 1857, 1859 Lord Palmerston 1859 Benjamin Disraeli 1874 William Gladstone 1880, 1885, 1892 (PM again in 1886) Arthur Balfour 1906, Jan 1910, Dec 1910, 1918 Herbert Asquith 1918, 1922, 1923, 1924 David Lloyd George 1922, 1923, 1924, 1929, 1931, 1935 Stanley Baldwin 1924, 1931 (PM again in 1929) Ramsay MacDonald 1929, 1935 (PM again in 1931) |
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Post by Wisconsin on Feb 28, 2023 22:45:52 GMT
What happened as far as standing for more than one seat is concerned? Was there actual legislation against it or did it just organically die out as a widespread practice?? It was banned by the same bit of legislation which limited the circumstances in which the death of a candidate delays the election in a constituency (the Cormack amendment). That appears to be section 24 of the 2006 Act rather than section 22: www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/22/section/24 |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 28, 2023 22:48:32 GMT
Ex-PMs as candidates:
1945: None
1950: Churchill
1951: Churchill
1955: Attlee, Churchill
1959: Churchill
1964: None
1966: Douglas-Home
1970: Douglas-Home
1974(F): Douglas-Home, Wilson
1974(O): Heath
1979: Heath, Wilson
1983: Callaghan, Heath
1987: Heath
1992: Heath
1997: Heath
2001: None
2005: None
2010: None
2015: None
2017: None
2019: May
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Post by Wisconsin on Feb 28, 2023 22:53:53 GMT
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Post by islington on Feb 28, 2023 22:56:18 GMT
The 1924 GE saw Ramsay MacDonald (incumbent) in Aberavon, Stanley Baldwin in Bewdley, David Lloyd George in Carnarvon Boroughs, and HH Asquith in Paisley. Asquith was defeated (like most Liberals in 1924). The others were all reelected. I'm inclined to think this must have been the all-time record because once you go much farther back you find a lot of PMs were in the Lords and were not subject to the undignified business of submitting themselves to the verdict of the lowly rabble. Off the top of my head the ex PMs who restood for the Commons in general elections before the Second World War were: George Grenville 1768 Lord North 1784 William Pitt the Younger 1802 Sir Robert Peel 1847 Lord John Russell 1852, 1857, 1859 Lord Palmerston 1859 Benjamin Disraeli 1874 William Gladstone 1880, 1885, 1892 (PM again in 1886) Arthur Balfour 1906, Jan 1910, Dec 1910, 1918 Herbert Asquith 1918, 1922, 1923, 1924 David Lloyd George 1922, 1923, 1924, 1929, 1931, 1935 Stanley Baldwin 1924, 1931 (PM again in 1929) Ramsay MacDonald 1929, 1935 (PM again in 1931) Great list. Peel also 1837, 1841. |
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Post by islington on Feb 28, 2023 23:43:13 GMT
Ex-PMs as candidates: 1945: None 1950: Churchill 1951: Churchill 1955: Attlee, Churchill 1959: Churchill 1964: None 1966: Douglas-Home 1970: Douglas-Home 1974(F): Douglas-Home, Wilson 1974(O): Heath 1979: Heath, Wilson 1983: Callaghan, Heath 1987: Heath 1992: Heath 1997: Heath 2001: None 2005: None 2010: None 2015: None 2017: None 2019: May So: when was the last GE at which no PM, current or former, was a candidate? I reckon it was 1900; also 1895 but before that I think you have to go back to 1832 (prior to which it was common). |
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Post by clyde1998 on Mar 1, 2023 2:47:22 GMT
Ex-PMs as candidates: 1945: None 1950: Churchill 1951: Churchill 1955: Attlee, Churchill 1959: Churchill 1964: None 1966: Douglas-Home 1970: Douglas-Home 1974(F): Douglas-Home, Wilson 1974(O): Heath 1979: Heath, Wilson 1983: Callaghan, Heath 1987: Heath 1992: Heath 1997: Heath 2001: None 2005: None 2010: None 2015: None 2017: None 2019: May From what I can work out for the devolved administrations, only Mark Durkan (2007) and Alex Salmond (2021) have been former head of government roles and contested a devolved election after leaving the post so far. I'm not including David Trimble and Mark Durkan in 2003, as they were FM and dFM when Stormont fell under direct rule in late-2002.
For former devolved heads of government running at Westminster (since 1997; I don't know if any of the former NI PMs ran for Westminster after leaving office): 2001: Alun Michael 2005: Alun Michael 2010: Alun Michael
2015: Alex Salmond 2017: Alex Salmond 2019: none
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 1, 2023 9:05:39 GMT
I don't know if any of the former NI PMs ran for Westminster after leaving office. None did, though all but one (John Andrews) did serve in Parliament through being raised to the peerage. |
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Post by Crimson King on Mar 1, 2023 9:37:33 GMT
Caine presumably for the Tories, what about the other two? |
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Post by timrollpickering on Mar 1, 2023 10:01:16 GMT
I don't know if any of the former NI PMs ran for Westminster after leaving office. None did, though all but one (John Andrews) did serve in Parliament through being raised to the peerage. Although Brian Faulkner seems to have only been introduced and not spoken before his death nine days later. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Mar 1, 2023 10:39:22 GMT
"Give your X to X" would be a good campaign slogan. |
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Post by Wisconsin on Mar 2, 2023 15:12:34 GMT
Caine presumably for the Tories, what about the other two? Malcolm X is definitely Plaid. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2023 16:52:01 GMT
Caine presumably for the Tories, what about the other two? Malcolm X is definitely Plaid. He was big into Islamism wasn’t he… Maybe Respect? He and George Galloway might’ve got on. |
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