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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 10:23:23 GMT
Cumulative totals for candidates standing in the 1992 General Election in Glasgow's 11 constituencies Labour | 198,228 | 54.89 | SNP | 72,905 | 20.19 | Conservative | 51,016 | 14.13 | Liberal Democrats | 30,197 | 8.36 | T Sheridan | 6,287 | 1.74 | Green | 2,145 | 0.59 | Natural Law | 139 | 0.04 | Communist | 106 | 0.03 | Revolutionary Communist | 73 | 0.02 | International Communist | 62 | 0.017 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 10:43:43 GMT
And the same for the parties standing in Glasgow at the 2010 general election. Labour | 128,818 | 56.20 | SNP | 39,702 | 17.32 | Liberal Democrats | 31,403 | 13.70 | Conservative | 17,482 | 7.63 | BNP | 4,564 | 1.99 | Green | 3,590 | 1.57 | Scottish Socialist | 990 | 0.43 | T Sheridan | 931 | 0.41 | TUSC | 825 | 0.36 | UKIP | 455 | 0.20 | Communist | 179 | 0.08 | Socialist Labour | 156 | 0.07 | Pirate | 128 | 0.06 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 11:24:09 GMT
The cumulative totals of parties standing in Islington North since Jeremy Corbyn's first election to the present day. Labour | 244,545 | 59.08 | Conservative | 67,000 | 16.19 | Liberal Democrats | 54,974 | 13.28 | Green | 21,123 | 5.10 | SDP | 16,828 | 4.07 | M O'Halloran | 4,091 | 0.99 | UKIP | 3,100 | 0.75 | Brexit | 742 | 0.18 | Socialist Labour | 512 | 0.12 | OMRLP | 342 | 0.08 | M. Foster | 208 | 0.05 | Reform 2000 | 139 | 0.03 | R.Lincoln | 134 | 0.03 | Socialist Party | 133 | 0.03 | S. Cameron-Blackie | 41 | 0.01 | Communist League | 7 | 0.002 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 13:42:09 GMT
Comparing the cumulative totals for candidates in Liverpool Riverside [left-hand side], and Manchester Central [right-hand side], from 1983-present (Top 15 only, does not include Manchester Central by-election) 268,645 | 70.87 | Labour | 1 | Labour | 66.84 | 260,869 | 41,416 | 10.93 | Conservative | 2 | Conservative | 14.39 | 56,140 | 33,972 | 8,96 | Liberal Democrats | 3 | Liberal Democrats | 9.26 | 36,144 | 13,771 | 3.63 | Green | 4 | SDP | 2.62 | 10,206 | 9,293 | 2.45 | SDP | 5
| Green | 2.51 | 9,779 | 3,639 | 0.96 | UKIP | 6 | UKIP | 1.89 | 7,381 | 1,779 | 0.47 | Brexit | 7 | Brexit | 0.60 | 2,335 | 1,685 | 0.44 | Socialist Alliance/Socialist Alternative | 8 | BNP | 0.42 | 1,636 | 862 | 0.23 | Communist | 9 | Socialist Labour | 0.42 | 1,630 | 706 | 0.19 | BNP | 10 | National Front | 0.29 | 1,150 | 594 | 0.16 | Liberal Party (post-89) | 11 | Referendum | 0.19 | 742 | 586 | 0.15 | Referendum | 12 | Pirate | 0.14 | 538 | 582 | 0.15 | TUSC | 13 | Independent Progressive Labour | 0.10 | 382 | 498 | 0.13 | Socialist Labour | 14 | Communist League | 0.09 | 336 | 340 | 0.09 | Natural Law | 15 | TUSC | 0.07 | 270 |
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Post by bsjmcr on Jul 19, 2020 17:29:14 GMT
Comparing the cumulative totals for candidates in Liverpool Riverside [left-hand side], and Manchester Central [right-hand side], from 1983-present (Top 15 only, does not include Manchester Central by-election) 268,645 | 70.87 | Labour | 1 | Labour | 66.84 | 260,869 | 41,416 | 10.93 | Conservative | 2 | Conservative | 14.39 | 56,140 | 33,972 | 8,96 | Liberal Democrats | 3 | Liberal Democrats | 9.26 | 36,144 | 13,771 | 3.63 | Green | 4 | SDP | 2.62 | 10,206 | 9,293 | 2.45 | SDP | 5
| Green | 2.51 | 9,779 | 3,639 | 0.96 | UKIP | 6 | UKIP | 1.89 | 7,381 | 1,779 | 0.47 | Brexit | 7 | Brexit | 0.60 | 2,335 | 1,685 | 0.44 | Socialist Alliance/Socialist Alternative | 8 | BNP | 0.42 | 1,636 | 862 | 0.23 | Communist | 9 | Socialist Labour | 0.42 | 1,630 | 706 | 0.19 | BNP | 10 | National Front | 0.29 | 1,150 | 594 | 0.16 | Liberal Party (post-89) | 11 | Referendum | 0.19 | 742 | 586 | 0.15 | Referendum | 12 | Pirate | 0.14 | 538 | 582 | 0.15 | TUSC | 13 | Independent Progressive Labour | 0.10 | 382 | 498 | 0.13 | Socialist Labour | 14 | Communist League | 0.09 | 336 | 340 | 0.09 | Natural Law | 15 | TUSC | 0.07 | 270 |
Interesting, though how come you didn't add SDP to the LD total? Confirms the reality that Manchester is slightly more prosperous than Liverpool and ever so slightly less tribally labour. Though the Tories lost their deposit in the farcical M'cr Central by-election of 2012, they have never failed to reach 5% in a Manchester GE, where it was L'pool Walton where they managed that feat in 2015! However, the opposite to the above happened (of course across the wider G'tr Manchester vs Liverpool City Region), where Andy Burnham got more than Steve Rotherham in Liverpool, 63% to 59%, leading Burnham to say Manchester 1, Liverpool 0 at his victory speech.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 18:31:46 GMT
Cheers bsjmcrI was thinking of doing another comparison between Liverpool and Manchester, I just need to find a good match to make it fair.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 21:42:47 GMT
Left hand side - Liverpool West Derby (all 12) Right hand side - Manchester Withington (top 12 only) 1983-present cumulative votes for parties/independents 69.16 | 274,819 | Labour | 1 | Labour | 242,544 | 52.64 | 12.71 | 50,502 | Conservative | 2 | Conservative | 89,832 | 19.50 | 5.84 | 23,210 | Liberal Democrats | 3 | Liberal Democrats | 84,670 | 18.38 | 5.69 | 22,617 | Liberal Party (post-89) | 4 | SDP | 12,231 | 2.65 | 3.72 | 14,768 | SDP | 5 | Green | 12,062 | 2.62 | 1.28 | 5,106 | UKIP | 6 | Liberal (original) | 9,978 | 2.17 | 0.51 | 2,012 | Brexit | 7 | UKIP | 3,294 | 0.71 | 0.49 | 1,930 | Green | 8 | Socialist Alternative/Alliance | 1,584 | 0.34 | 0.33 | 1,312 | Socialist Labour | 9 | Brexit | 1,308 | 0.28 | 0.17 | 657 | Referendum | 10 | Referendum | 1,079 | 0.23 | 0.08 | 305 | G. Hughes | 11 | Pro Life Alliance | 614 | 0.13 | 0.04 | 154 | Natural Law | 12 | Y. Zalzala | 299 | 0.06 |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 20, 2020 22:40:11 GMT
The equivalent seat to Withington in Liverpool (in as much as there's any value in these sort of comparisons, which there isn't really) would surely be Wavertree - possibly Garston, but certainly not West Derby
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 22:48:00 GMT
Thanks Pete. I'll punch in Wavertree and repost.
Oh and no, maybe there is no value, but I'm scrabbling around anywhere, to do anything, with number crunching. It's nearly August and we've no actual elections to analyse so I'm desperate here to provide *anything*.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 23:23:27 GMT
Amended. Left-hand side: Liverpool Broadgreen/Wavertree (and goodness me, I did not know the history of Broadgreen was so full of confusion) Right-hand side: Manchester Withington, as before. Top 12 for both. 58.57 | 242,874 | Labour | 1 | Labour | 242,544 | 52.64 | 15.52 | 64,362 | Liberal Democrats | 2 | Conservative | 89,832 | 19.50 | 13.16 | 54,590 | Conservative | 3 | Liberal Democrats | 84,670 | 18.38 | 4.15 | 17,215 | Liberal Party (original) | 4 | SDP | 12,231 | 2.65 | 1.69 | 7,021 | R. Pine (as un-official Liberal) | 5 | Green | 12,062 | 2.62 | 1.44 | 5,952 | T. Fields (as independent socialist) | 6 | Liberal (original) | 9,978 | 2.17 | 1.27 | 5,273 | UKIP | 7 | UKIP | 3,294 | 0.71 | 1.25 | 5,169 | SDP | 8 | Socialist Alternative/Alliance | 1,584 | 0.34 | 1.13 | 4,701 | Green | 9 | Brexit | 1,308 | 0.28 | 0.51 | 2,103 | Liberal (post-89) | 10 | Referendum | 1,079 | 0.23 | 0.46 | 1,921 | Brexit | 11 | Pro Life Alliance | 614 | 0.13 | 0.19 | 803 | Socialist Labour | 12 | Y. Zalzala | 299 | 0.06 |
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Post by greenchristian on Jul 22, 2020 20:04:34 GMT
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 22, 2020 20:12:00 GMT
Sounds like just the sort of word our beloved PM would be quite familiar with!
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Post by timrollpickering on Jul 22, 2020 20:18:20 GMT
Clearly empleomanism is the ideology of the Councillor Party.
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 22, 2020 20:52:51 GMT
Clearly empleomanism is the ideology of the Councillor Party. "All I want is a seat somewhere Piles of votes rising in the air in't East, in't West - don't care oh, wouldn't it be luverly".
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Post by greenhert on Jul 22, 2020 23:18:16 GMT
Only four general elections could have featured a single party majority for Labour if Scottish constituencies were excluded from the equation: 1945, 1966, 1997, and 2001.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 23, 2020 8:07:11 GMT
The Conservatives polled the most votes in England in every General Election since World War II except 1945, 1966, 1997 and 2001. Not so much 'Interesting electoral facts' as 'false electoral assertions'. The Conservatives were outpolled by Labour in England in 1945, 1950, 1951, 1966, October 1974, 1997, and 2001.
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Post by greenhert on Jul 23, 2020 11:10:46 GMT
Yet the Conservatives still won a majority in 1951 across the United Kingdom, partly due to Labour votes piling up in seats where they were not needed and partly due to pacts with the Liberals in Bolton West, Huddersfield West, and Colne Valley (they also supported an Independent, William Brown, in Fulham West). In England alone there were at least 10 times as many Labour seats where the winning candidate polled >70% of the vote as there were Conservative seats where this was the case in 1951.
For Labour to win a majority they would have to outpoll the Conservatives in England by 7% or more, since most of their formerly safe Scottish seats are not recoverable for them for the foreseeable future (Central Ayrshire and Lanark & Hamilton East now clearly have the Conservatives as the main challengers to the SNP, for example).
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Post by European Lefty on Jul 24, 2020 16:29:12 GMT
Graphs comparing Index of Multiple Deprivation (IMD) scores to the three major parties' share of the vote in England. I put them together to debunk the "Labour is losing the working class" myth to somebody Attachments:
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Post by minionofmidas on Jul 24, 2020 16:44:24 GMT
Graphs comparing Index of Multiple Deprivation (IMD) scores to the three major parties' share of the vote in England. I put them together to debunk the "Labour is losing the working class" myth to somebody to debunk that you'd have to show the correlation hasn't declined, and I don't think you can do that anymore after 2019. Nice graphs though!
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 24, 2020 16:50:37 GMT
Graphs comparing Index of Multiple Deprivation (IMD) scores to the three major parties' share of the vote in England. I put them together to debunk the "Labour is losing the working class" myth to somebody It may debunk the "Labour is losing the deprived vote" from those graphs, but you haven't provided any evidence to refute (or support) "Labour is losing the working class vote".
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