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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2024 8:03:15 GMT
Isn't the answers just to build more houses. I don't see why second homes should even be discouraged Because they are vacant for most of the year? |
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Post by aargauer on Sept 23, 2024 8:49:17 GMT
Isn't the answers just to build more houses. I don't see why second homes should even be discouraged Because they are vacant for most of the year? So? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2024 9:01:19 GMT
Because they are vacant for most of the year? So? Are you seriously asking why second homes are a problem in the year of our lord 2024? OK, I'll tell you. Second home demand by the coast and/or national parks spikes house prices. Locals have complained that they're priced out of their towns, blaming holiday lets for raising house prices. In many tourist hotspots, house prices don't reflect the income of locals who can't afford to buy. |
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Post by aargauer on Sept 23, 2024 9:23:11 GMT
Are you seriously asking why second homes are a problem in the year of our lord 2024? OK, I'll tell you. Second home demand by the coast and/or national parks spikes house prices. Locals have complained that they're priced out of their towns, blaming holiday lets for raising house prices. In many tourist hotspots, house prices don't reflect the income of locals who can't afford to buy. These are not densely populated areas, it should be pretty straightforward to build enough to cope with the demand for locals and holiday home owners. Heaven knows these areas need the economic boost. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 23, 2024 11:09:09 GMT
No, in 1945 Labour still didn't really exist at the eastern end of Cornwall. Anyway, there's never been any demographic reason for Labour performing poorly in Cornwall: there are working class towns of one sort or another all over the place and average incomes are low. Well, rural and a lack of heavy industry has never been a forte for Labour I think it’s fair to say? Cornwall is pretty similar to other areas the Liberal tradition survived ahead of Labour, not just in the West Country but also the Marches, rural Wales & Scotland, large areas of East Anglia. In many of those the Liberal tradition still survives, but where it hasn’t Labour has largely struggled to take its place (e.g. Lincolnshire). It is therefore I guess vaguely interesting that they have managed to take advantage of the Lib Dem collapse in Cornwall but haven’t really elsewhere. The tin miners of Redruth and the engineers of Camborne say "Hi!" And the Methodist tradition of Cornwall may also be relevant. It is a place of itself and I think rural Wales (where the liberal tradition has largely been replaced by Plaid) is a better comparison than the likes of Lincolnshire. |
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Post by clive on Sept 23, 2024 12:33:53 GMT
Are you seriously asking why second homes are a problem in the year of our lord 2024? OK, I'll tell you. Second home demand by the coast and/or national parks spikes house prices. Locals have complained that they're priced out of their towns, blaming holiday lets for raising house prices. In many tourist hotspots, house prices don't reflect the income of locals who can't afford to buy. These are not densely populated areas, it should be pretty straightforward to build enough to cope with the demand for locals and holiday home owners. Heaven knows these areas need the economic boost. Second homes that are uninhabited for most of the year do not give any meaningful economic boost, they do drive up house prices in an area where houses are often not built because they are subject to necessary planning controls, because they are in National Parks or on Green Belt. You might say well rip that up and build anyway, but f course that would ruin the tourism industry and have other damaging consequences so not that simple. second homes that are unused most of the time, but very highly priced force locals to leave and causes the death of many communities because there is no younger generation and little hope, but hey the urban rich can holiday for a week a year so its great |
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Post by iain on Sept 23, 2024 12:41:35 GMT
Well, rural and a lack of heavy industry has never been a forte for Labour I think it’s fair to say? Cornwall is pretty similar to other areas the Liberal tradition survived ahead of Labour, not just in the West Country but also the Marches, rural Wales & Scotland, large areas of East Anglia. In many of those the Liberal tradition still survives, but where it hasn’t Labour has largely struggled to take its place (e.g. Lincolnshire). It is therefore I guess vaguely interesting that they have managed to take advantage of the Lib Dem collapse in Cornwall but haven’t really elsewhere. The tin miners of Redruth and the engineers of Camborne say "Hi!" And the Methodist tradition of Cornwall may also be relevant. It is a place of itself and I think rural Wales (where the liberal tradition has largely been replaced by Plaid) is a better comparison than the likes of Lincolnshire. Well yeah, but I think that backs my point up rather than opposing it - Labour did break through in Camborne and Redruth! It’s the rest of the county where their success has only come in the past few years. I agree on the Methodism point. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Sept 23, 2024 14:11:23 GMT
Isn't the answers just to build more houses. I don't see why second homes should even be discouraged "They" have "tried" building more houses here. Over 1000 in the last ten years. It just results in 1000 more houses that locals cannot afford, and youngsters moving away. The population has DROPPED in the last ten years. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Sept 23, 2024 14:25:13 GMT
Are you seriously asking why second homes are a problem in the year of our lord 2024? OK, I'll tell you. Second home demand by the coast and/or national parks spikes house prices. Locals have complained that they're priced out of their towns, blaming holiday lets for raising house prices. In many tourist hotspots, house prices don't reflect the income of locals who can't afford to buy. These are not densely populated areas, it should be pretty straightforward to build enough to cope with the demand for locals and holiday home owners. Heaven knows these areas need the economic boost. They're not densly populated, 'cos the populous has decamped to cheaper areas. They *are* densly *built*. Many place don't have any space for more building, or the spaces that are available are being ignored in a rush to plough up the sorrounding fields. In my town there's a mad dash to ram right up to the national park boundary. |
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Post by Khunanup on Sept 23, 2024 15:14:29 GMT
The tin miners of Redruth and the engineers of Camborne say "Hi!" And the Methodist tradition of Cornwall may also be relevant. It is a place of itself and I think rural Wales (where the liberal tradition has largely been replaced by Plaid) is a better comparison than the likes of Lincolnshire. Well yeah, but I think that backs my point up rather than opposing it - Labour did break through in Camborne and Redruth! It’s the rest of the county where their success has only come in the past few years. I agree on the Methodism point. It was the non-unionised nature of the industrial labour and the non-conformism (alongside the sheer remoteness from the metropolitan 'establishment', as with northern Scotland and west Wales) that made it so susceptible to remaining with the Liberals/Lib Dems rather than Labour taking over as they did elsewhere. It's that remoteness point that does make me suspect that this will be a flash in the pan for Labour outside the Camborne/Redruth/Falmouth strip as they will be seen as just another metropolitan party who screws them over (and I expect their local councillor based to remain anaemic after next year's election). For us to rebuild in the rest of Cornwall will take a big bit of organisation though, something that has been severely lacking for some considerable time. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2024 16:24:00 GMT
Following on from what Sibboleth said, I guess a lot of these areas were tin mining country in the past - anyone know when that ended and what the economic impact of its decline was? I'm pretty sure that Cornwall benefitted from the European Union social fund, but then like a lot of similar areas, voted for Brexit. I wonder what impact that had here. I haven't been to Cornwall since 2001, but I get the sense that (like in many places) the tourism trade leads to a lot of low-paying, precarious sort of work. I know Exeter University has a Cornwall campus in Penryn (is it an especially large employer in the area?). It's easy to forget about Cornwall as someone living in London, although many in London will have or have had second homes in the duchy, since it's so far away on the map, but it's a fascinating area and I've often wondered whether the brothers of Cornwall (Mebyon Kernow) will ever break through in a meaningful way in the area, which seems ripe for a devolution deal. Economically, the best thing for Cornwall would be to extend the M5 across 40 miles of beautiful Devonshire countryside. No amount of devolution or autonomy for Cornwall could deliver that. For most of Cornwall, the biggest issue (for road but especially rail, even when only considering places the rail already reaches) isn't getting from the rest of the UK to the eastern edge of Cornwall, but rather getting from wherever they are out of Cornwall. Neither the A38 or A30 are particularly bad from Exeter to the Cornish border. |
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Post by ClevelandYorks on Sept 23, 2024 16:28:48 GMT
Doesn't Cornwall have lithium? We should consider reviving mining there. I believe that's already happening |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 28, 2024 16:55:04 GMT
 | | Lab | Con | Ref | Grn | LD | Ind | Oth | | | | | | | | | | | | | Corby | 52.7% | 20.5% | 16.2% | 5.5% | 4.1% | 1.0% |
| | | East Northamptonshire | 33.7% | 35.3% | 19.5% | 6.4% | 4.3% | 0.5% | 0.3% | | | Wellingborough | 37.6% | 29.2% | 21.8% | 5.3% | 5.2% | 0.3% | 0.5% | | | Kettering | 35.6% | 28.3% | 17.1% | 14.0% | 2.6% | 2.1% | 0.3% | |
| | | | | | | | | | North Northamptonshire | 38.6% | 29.1% | 18.7% | 8.3% | 4.0% | 1.0% | 0.3% | |
| | | | | | | | | | Northampton | 40.9% | 25.7% | 17.8% | 5.8% | 6.4% | 1.2% | 2.2% | | | Daventry | 28.3% | 33.7% | 19.6% | 5.4% | 13.0% |
| | | | South Northamptonshire | 28.6% | 35.5% | 16.8% | 5.7% | 9.7% | 3.2% | 0.4% | |
| | | | | | | | | | West Northamptonshire | 34.4% | 30.4% | 17.9% | 5.7% | 8.9% | 1.5% | 1.2% | |
| | | | | | | | | | Northamptonshire | 36.3% | 29.8% | 18.3% | 6.9% | 6.6% | 1.3% | 0.8% | |
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| | Lab | Con | Ref | Grn | LD | Ind | Oth | | | | | | | | | | | | | Corby | 52.7% | 20.5% | 16.2% | 5.5% | 4.1% | 1.0% |
| | | East Northamptonshire | 33.7% | 35.3% | 19.5% | 6.4% | 4.3% | 0.5% | 0.3% | | | Wellingborough | 37.6% | 29.2% | 21.8% | 5.3% | 5.2% | 0.3% | 0.5% | | | Kettering | 35.6% | 28.3% | 17.1% | 14.0% | 2.6% | 2.1% | 0.3% | |
| | | | | | | | | | North Northamptonshire | 38.6% | 29.1% | 18.7% | 8.3% | 4.0% | 1.0% | 0.3% | |
| | | | | | | | | | Northampton | 40.9% | 25.7% | 17.8% | 5.8% | 6.4% | 1.2% | 2.2% | | | Daventry | 28.3% | 33.7% | 19.6% | 5.4% | 13.0% |
| | | | South Northamptonshire | 28.6% | 35.5% | 16.8% | 5.7% | 9.7% | 3.2% | 0.4% | |
| | | | | | | | | | West Northamptonshire | 34.4% | 30.4% | 17.9% | 5.7% | 8.9% | 1.5% | 1.2% | |
| | | | | | | | | | Northamptonshire | 36.3% | 29.8% | 18.3% | 6.9% | 6.6% | 1.3% | 0.8% | |
Reform really damaged the Tories here. I also never thought Labour would get that close to winning the popular vote in Daventry. South Northants fairly astonishing too. I thought Labour might carry Irchester actually, but Bozeat (where I lived until 2011) probably helped the Tories stay ahead there. The areas are certainly less Labour than they used to be when you had active shoe making - the Gola factory in Bozeat closed in 1982. Drage factory has been closed for longer than that I think. Bozeat and Wellingborough more broadly have a lot of London overspill. I think a fair lot of the council housing in the area was Right to Buy and so it stands to reason that the area is more Tory than it would have been in say, the 1970s. Great map and seeing some of these areas voting Labour takes me back to my youth. I remember the Corby by-election in 2012 pretty well. I think Miliband got an egg thrown at him or something like that. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 29, 2024 6:54:58 GMT
Irchester is a split ward with Irchester itself being in Wellingborough and Bozeat, Wollaston etc being in South Northants. Irchester itself would have been strongly for Labour with the Tories carrying the parts in S Northants. Overall the ward would have been fairly narrowly Labour.
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 29, 2024 9:56:58 GMT
Just for the record I'm pretty sure that Miliband getting an egg chucked at him was the following year (2013) and happened in London not Northamptonshire.
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 | | Con | Lab | Ref | LD | Grn | Ind | Oth | | | | | | | | | | | | | Lincoln | 21.8% | 45.7% | 17.4% | 6.1% | 6.4% | 0.6% | 2.0% | | | West Lindsey | 35.6% | 28.1% | 21.2% | 10.7% | 3.9% |
| 0.4% | | | East Lindsey | 36.4% | 21.8% | 29.1% | 4.4% | 4.9% | 2.1% | 1.2% | | | Boston | 33.1% | 17.8% | 38.9% | 3.9% | 3.9% |
| 2.3% | | | South Holland | 38.1% | 18.3% | 24.6% | 3.6% | 4.0% | 11.3% |
| | | North Kesteven | 35.5% | 26.8% | 21.9% | 4.7% | 5.2% | 5.7% | 0.2% | | | South Kesteven | 39.4% | 26.0% | 18.3% | 6.0% | 5.2% | 4.7% | 0.5% | |
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Post by Clark on Sept 30, 2024 19:50:19 GMT
Lincolnshire must've been tough to do given how many Independents stand in local elections.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2024 4:24:31 GMT
The almost unbroken Reform is aesthetic. The 2021 locals will be interesting. Still, Reform will need many candidates. They could win Boston council eventually. What local authrotieis did Reform carry? I'm asking about the whole UK. Ashfield, Boston, Great Yarmouth, and Tendring?
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