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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 17, 2024 11:16:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2024 11:26:55 GMT
Why are the options only for tactical voting against the Tories? What if you want to tactically vote Lib Dem or Green against Labour, or independent?  |
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Post by batman on Jun 17, 2024 11:47:09 GMT
Because that's less fun...............
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 17, 2024 11:49:03 GMT
Why are the options only for tactical voting against the Tories? What if you want to tactically vote Lib Dem or Green against Labour, or independent? If there is indeed a gap in the market there, somebody will surely fill it in due course. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2024 11:50:38 GMT
Why are the options only for tactical voting against the Tories? What if you want to tactically vote Lib Dem or Green against Labour, or independent? If there is indeed a gap in the market there, somebody will surely fill it in due course. I believe MuslimVote (?) put out a list of endorsements. |
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Post by batman on Jun 17, 2024 11:54:35 GMT
A cursory glance shows that mostly they have their heads screwed on fairly well. Surprised by the advice to vote Labour in Brentwood & Ongar, that surely isn't a winnable seat although the LDs have not exactly done brilliantly themselves there in parliamentary elections in the past. May have more of a look later purely for the sake of interest. graham will be appalled to note that they advocate a Lib Dem vote in Wimbledon (I don't advocate one, but if I were in charge of a tactical voting site I would do so.)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2024 13:13:00 GMT
"Why vote Labour in Na H-Eileanan An Iar?
Labour is targeting this seat and no other opposition parties appear to be fighting hard here. For that reason we recommend voting for the Labour Party in this constituency"
From Best for Britain. Their own poll puts the SNP ahead. And this is not the only example of slightly contradictory advice
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Post by arnieg on Jun 17, 2024 13:31:53 GMT
Surely the next logical development is a tactical voting site advising "right" inclined voters whether Reform or Conservative is a better option in their seat to stop those nasty lefties.
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Post by Peter Wilkinson on Jun 17, 2024 14:08:16 GMT
Why are the options only for tactical voting against the Tories? What if you want to tactically vote Lib Dem or Green against Labour, or independent? On the wild assumption that Labour gets enough MPs on July 4 to form a government, just wait for the next general election - I'm almost sure that there are people already planning one or other of several different variants of this (and some of them might even be reading this message)  |
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Post by ricmk on Jun 17, 2024 14:33:19 GMT
And of course Labour might mess up so badly that the people wanting advice on kicking the Government out now are exactly the ones who will want the same advice against Labour next time!
The one gap in the market here is for an aggregate site, that does what we are trying to as a single website. So the individual sites could feed into it, and you could then see where everyone is agreed and where the disputes are.
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Post by graham on Jun 17, 2024 14:47:45 GMT
A cursory glance shows that mostly they have their heads screwed on fairly well. Surprised by the advice to vote Labour in Brentwood & Ongar, that surely isn't a winnable seat although the LDs have not exactly done brilliantly themselves there in parliamentary elections in the past. May have more of a look later purely for the sake of interest. graham will be appalled to note that they advocate a Lib Dem vote in Wimbledon (I don't advocate one, but if I were in charge of a tactical voting site I would do so.) Re- Wimbledon the website is pretty cautious in making its recommendation. I think it is very unwise to rely on a MRP survey which many of us find to be very suspect indeed.A lot of weight is given too to whether a party is targetting a particular seat, and that I find to be a rather unsound basis for urging a tactical vote on its own.There will be seats which Labour is not targetting as such - because the party has even better prospects elsewhere - but where a serious campaign effort is being made by local campaign workers with a reasonable prospect of success. I think of Didcot & Wantage and South Cambridgeshire as examples. The LDs ,in contrast, have far fewer realistic prospects and the fact that they have targetted a particular seat does not mean - in itself - that the LDs provide the obvious tactical vote option there. I note also that the website is advocating a Green tactical vote in Waveney Valley - despite the MRP survey showing them as a distant fourth place!Again , this is justified on basis of it being targetted by the Greens. I don't think it makes much sense! |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 17, 2024 14:57:32 GMT
"Why vote Labour in Na H-Eileanan An Iar?Labour is targeting this seat and no other opposition parties appear to be fighting hard here. For that reason we recommend voting for the Labour Party in this constituency" From Best for Britain. Their own poll puts the SNP ahead. And this is not the only example of slightly contradictory advice What poll? |
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Post by aargauer on Jun 17, 2024 15:08:55 GMT
A cursory glance shows that mostly they have their heads screwed on fairly well. Surprised by the advice to vote Labour in Brentwood & Ongar, that surely isn't a winnable seat although the LDs have not exactly done brilliantly themselves there in parliamentary elections in the past. May have more of a look later purely for the sake of interest. graham will be appalled to note that they advocate a Lib Dem vote in Wimbledon (I don't advocate one, but if I were in charge of a tactical voting site I would do so.) If I was running the site I wouldn't give a recommendation for Wimbledon as its just not possibly for the tories to win, and it would be very surprising if they even came 2nd. Its not worth someone not picking the party they actually want to win. |
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Post by batman on Jun 17, 2024 15:44:20 GMT
A cursory glance shows that mostly they have their heads screwed on fairly well. Surprised by the advice to vote Labour in Brentwood & Ongar, that surely isn't a winnable seat although the LDs have not exactly done brilliantly themselves there in parliamentary elections in the past. May have more of a look later purely for the sake of interest. graham will be appalled to note that they advocate a Lib Dem vote in Wimbledon (I don't advocate one, but if I were in charge of a tactical voting site I would do so.) Re- Wimbledon the website is pretty cautious in making its recommendation. I think it is very unwise to rely on a MRP survey which many of us find to be very suspect indeed.A lot of weight is given too to whether a party is targetting a particular seat, and that I find to be a rather unsound basis for urging a tactical vote on its own.There will be seats which Labour is not targetting as such - because the party has even better prospects elsewhere - but where a serious campaign effort is being made by local campaign workers with a reasonable prospect of success. I think of Didcot & Wantage and South Cambridgeshire as examples. The LDs ,in contrast, have far fewer realistic prospects and the fact that they have targetted a particular seat does not mean - in itself - that the LDs provide the obvious tactical vote option there. I note also that the website is advocating a Green tactical vote in Waveney Valley - despite the MRP survey showing them as a distant fourth place!Again , this is justified on basis of it being targetted by the Greens. I don't think it makes much sense! I really don't think Labour has even an outside chance in South Cambridgeshire. |
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Post by jamie on Jun 17, 2024 15:48:55 GMT
IMO they should offer tactical voting in any constituency that the Tories could feasibly win, but stay neutral in places they definitely will not win even with a significant recovery in the polls. A couple of these sites are/were advocating tactical voting for the SNP in seats that will probably end up electing Labour MPs with the Tories a distant 3rd (or worse). In such a case there’s no need to default to the incumbent party, and given the SNP’s uncertain position on voting for a change in government in the event of a hung Parliament you could argue Labour is a clearer vote to get the Tories out.
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Post by graham on Jun 17, 2024 16:04:40 GMT
Re- Wimbledon the website is pretty cautious in making its recommendation. I think it is very unwise to rely on a MRP survey which many of us find to be very suspect indeed.A lot of weight is given too to whether a party is targetting a particular seat, and that I find to be a rather unsound basis for urging a tactical vote on its own.There will be seats which Labour is not targetting as such - because the party has even better prospects elsewhere - but where a serious campaign effort is being made by local campaign workers with a reasonable prospect of success. I think of Didcot & Wantage and South Cambridgeshire as examples. The LDs ,in contrast, have far fewer realistic prospects and the fact that they have targetted a particular seat does not mean - in itself - that the LDs provide the obvious tactical vote option there. I note also that the website is advocating a Green tactical vote in Waveney Valley - despite the MRP survey showing them as a distant fourth place!Again , this is justified on basis of it being targetted by the Greens. I don't think it makes much sense! I really don't think Labour has even an outside chance in South Cambridgeshire. There have been major boundary changes to the seat , but Labour was a clear second in 2017 and much more narrowly so in 2015. The new seat includes the Cherry Hinton ward from Cambridge which is pretty good for Labour. The St Edith's ward was already part of the former seat. The PCC elections in the South Cambridgeshire District last month surprised a few people when the Tories outpolled the LDs with Labour a close third.Admittedly the District Council boundaries do not match the constituency and exclude the two Cambridge wards.
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Post by batman on Jun 17, 2024 16:14:24 GMT
IMO they should offer tactical voting in any constituency that the Tories could feasibly win, but stay neutral in places they definitely will not win even with a significant recovery in the polls. A couple of these sites are/were advocating tactical voting for the SNP in seats that will probably end up electing Labour MPs with the Tories a distant 3rd (or worse). In such a case there’s no need to default to the incumbent party, and given the SNP’s uncertain position on voting for a change in government in the event of a hung Parliament you could argue Labour is a clearer vote to get the Tories out. that's what they are doing in many constituencies. These include all the LD seats in SW London, where the LDs are seen as being so safe that a non-tactical vote is OK. Honestly, I didn't write it........ However, they have made recommendation in some distinctly odd seats in Scotland as has been noted. |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jun 17, 2024 20:36:55 GMT
Really all this shows is that "tactical" voting is generally stupid. If you want Sir Keir to be Prime Minister, vote Labour; if you want Nigel Farage, vote Reform; if you want Guy Verhoftwat, vote Lib Dem; if you want Scotland to be poor but free, vote SNP; and if you're a total nutter and think Rishi Sunak, Jeremy Cunt, and that plonker of a gambler from Wales are at all plausible, vote Conservative. Oh and if you look at all this and decide you'd prefer to hug a tree instead, I totally understand you voting Green. Or maybe just vote Loony: you know it makes sense.
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Post by manchesterman on Jun 17, 2024 20:46:09 GMT
of course the need for Tactical Voting vanishes overnight under a fair voting system...the solution for those who dont like it is simple  |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jun 17, 2024 20:47:16 GMT
of course the need for Tactical Voting vanishes overnight under a fair voting system...the solution for those who dont like it is simple FPTP is the fair voting system though. Say no to the Sexually Transmitted Vote! |
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