J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 12, 2024 17:18:27 GMT
They could be after all (Source: The Guardian) "There have also been internal discussions about the prospect of carrying out a population-based boundary review. This would redraw constituencies’ boundaries according to the size of their populations – including children and immigrants – instead of the number of registered voters. Some have argued the existing system results in unbalanced constituencies, with inner-city MPs having to represent much larger populations. Downing Street declined to comment on the contents of the speech" If it's population-based, it needs to be based on the immediately preceding census, which then also requires a question on citizenship, as further population-based redistricting must be based on citizenship.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jul 12, 2024 18:33:32 GMT
They could be after all (Source: The Guardian) "There have also been internal discussions about the prospect of carrying out a population-based boundary review. This would redraw constituencies’ boundaries according to the size of their populations – including children and immigrants – instead of the number of registered voters. Some have argued the existing system results in unbalanced constituencies, with inner-city MPs having to represent much larger populations. Downing Street declined to comment on the contents of the speech" If it's population-based, it needs to be based on the immediately preceding census, which then also requires a question on citizenship, as further population-based redistricting must be based on citizenship. If it is based on population then there needs to be an individual register of all the population, not just those eligible to vote. And of course, students can only only be counted once.
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Post by johnloony on Jul 12, 2024 18:56:55 GMT
They could be after all (Source: The Guardian) "There have also been internal discussions about the prospect of carrying out a population-based boundary review. This would redraw constituencies’ boundaries according to the size of their populations – including children and immigrants – instead of the number of registered voters. Some have argued the existing system results in unbalanced constituencies, with inner-city MPs having to represent much larger populations. Downing Street declined to comment on the contents of the speech" Nothing in that paragraph suggests that it would be done as urgently or as quickly as before the next general election, with boundaries already changed before then.
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 12, 2024 22:24:05 GMT
They could be after all (Source: The Guardian) "There have also been internal discussions about the prospect of carrying out a population-based boundary review. This would redraw constituencies’ boundaries according to the size of their populations – including children and immigrants – instead of the number of registered voters. Some have argued the existing system results in unbalanced constituencies, with inner-city MPs having to represent much larger populations. Downing Street declined to comment on the contents of the speech" Nothing in that paragraph suggests that it would be done as urgently or as quickly as before the next general election, with boundaries already changed before then. Yeah, if I was setting it up I'd specify that redistricting happen 4-to-6 years after each decennial census, so the next one would be 2035 for a general election around about 2037-2039.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2024 7:38:27 GMT
There might not be any boundaries, because in addition to suspending candidates, the NEC may swoop down and suspend elections next. There are a Kafka-esque outfit, which IMO should be reformed. Love football. Hate FIFA. Love Labour. Hate the NEC. Love Europe. Hate the EU / ECHR.
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YL
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Post by YL on Jul 13, 2024 8:36:54 GMT
I would imagine that some Labour MPs from outside London, especially those from Scotland, might not be very keen on population-based apportionment.
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 13, 2024 9:26:03 GMT
There might not be any boundaries, because in addition to suspending candidates, the NEC may swoop down and suspend elections next. There are a Kafka-esque outfit, which IMO should be reformed. Love football. Hate FIFA. Love Labour. Hate the NEC. Love Europe. Hate the EU / ECHR. Apart from anything else, the NEC do not possess any legislative powers.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2024 15:57:38 GMT
There might not be any boundaries, because in addition to suspending candidates, the NEC may swoop down and suspend elections next. There are a Kafka-esque outfit, which IMO should be reformed. Love football. Hate FIFA. Love Labour. Hate the NEC. Love Europe. Hate the EU / ECHR. Apart from anything else, the NEC do not possess any legislative powers..... Don't posses such powers right now ...
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Post by greatkingrat on Jul 13, 2024 16:19:54 GMT
There might not be any boundaries, because in addition to suspending candidates, the NEC may swoop down and suspend elections next. There are a Kafka-esque outfit, which IMO should be reformed. Love football. Hate FIFA. Love Labour. Hate the NEC. Love Europe. Hate the EU / ECHR. For someone who supposedly loves Labour, you seemed to spend a lot of your time campaigning to unseat their leader?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2024 16:24:08 GMT
There might not be any boundaries, because in addition to suspending candidates, the NEC may swoop down and suspend elections next. There are a Kafka-esque outfit, which IMO should be reformed. Love football. Hate FIFA. Love Labour. Hate the NEC. Love Europe. Hate the EU / ECHR. For someone who supposedly loves Labour, you seemed to spend a lot of your time campaigning to unseat their leader? I loved Corbyn Labour without the antisemitism.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 13, 2024 17:02:46 GMT
There might not be any boundaries, because in addition to suspending candidates, the NEC may swoop down and suspend elections next. There are a Kafka-esque outfit, which IMO should be reformed. Love football. Hate FIFA. Love Labour. Hate the NEC. Love Europe. Hate the EU / ECHR. Matron !
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nyx
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Post by nyx on Jul 19, 2024 0:59:14 GMT
They could be after all (Source: The Guardian) "There have also been internal discussions about the prospect of carrying out a population-based boundary review. This would redraw constituencies’ boundaries according to the size of their populations – including children and immigrants – instead of the number of registered voters. Some have argued the existing system results in unbalanced constituencies, with inner-city MPs having to represent much larger populations. Downing Street declined to comment on the contents of the speech" If it's population-based, it needs to be based on the immediately preceding census, which then also requires a question on citizenship, as further population-based redistricting must be based on citizenship. Doesn't require a question on citizenship- that quote saying "including immigrants" implies that non-citizens would be included, as immigrants who are citizens are already included. The logic of a population-based review is that non-voters such as children and non-citizens still need an MP to represent them.
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 19, 2024 14:57:49 GMT
If it's population-based, it needs to be based on the immediately preceding census, which then also requires a question on citizenship, as further population-based redistricting must be based on citizenship. Doesn't require a question on citizenship- that quote saying "including immigrants" implies that non-citizens would be included, as immigrants who are citizens are already included. The logic of a population-based review is that non-voters such as children and non-citizens still need an MP to represent them. But foreigners have their foreign representatives to represent them. If they want to be part of the British system, become a British citizen.
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Post by nyx on Jul 19, 2024 15:46:31 GMT
Doesn't require a question on citizenship- that quote saying "including immigrants" implies that non-citizens would be included, as immigrants who are citizens are already included. The logic of a population-based review is that non-voters such as children and non-citizens still need an MP to represent them. But foreigners have their foreign representatives to represent them. If they want to be part of the British system, become a British citizen. I'm not referring to my personal political views on the of whether non-citizens should be included. Just stating that if a population-based review happens as suggested by the Guardian, it would be based on total population and not taking citizenship into account, so your assertion that a population-based review would require the census to include a question on citizenship is unlikely to be correct.
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 19, 2024 17:09:45 GMT
But foreigners have their foreign representatives to represent them. If they want to be part of the British system, become a British citizen. I'm not referring to my personal political views on the of whether non-citizens should be included. Just stating that if a population-based review happens as suggested by the Guardian, it would be based on total population and not taking citizenship into account, so your assertion that a population-based review would require the census to include a question on citizenship is unlikely to be correct. It would need legislation to abolish the rights of citizenship. Sorry, you slogged your gutys out for seven years to earn citizenship, **** you, we're now going to give it out to anybody with a pulse.
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