Could these be a one term set of boundaries?

[J.G.Harston]

Jul 12, 2024 14:35:42 GMT Harry Hayfield said:

They could be after all (Source: The Guardian)

"There have also been internal discussions about the prospect of carrying out a population-based boundary review. This would redraw constituencies’ boundaries according to the size of their populations – including children and immigrants – instead of the number of registered voters. Some have argued the existing system results in unbalanced constituencies, with inner-city MPs having to represent much larger populations. Downing Street declined to comment on the contents of the speech"

If it's population-based, it needs to be based on the immediately preceding census, which then also requires a question on citizenship, as further population-based redistricting must be based on citizenship.

[No Offence Alan]

Jul 12, 2024 17:18:27 GMT J.G.Harston said:

Jul 12, 2024 14:35:42 GMT Harry Hayfield said:

They could be after all (Source: The Guardian)

"There have also been internal discussions about the prospect of carrying out a population-based boundary review. This would redraw constituencies’ boundaries according to the size of their populations – including children and immigrants – instead of the number of registered voters. Some have argued the existing system results in unbalanced constituencies, with inner-city MPs having to represent much larger populations. Downing Street declined to comment on the contents of the speech"

If it's population-based, it needs to be based on the immediately preceding census, which then also requires a question on citizenship, as further population-based redistricting must be based on citizenship.

If it is based on population then there needs to be an individual register of all the population, not just those eligible to vote.
And of course, students can only only be counted once.

[johnloony]

Jul 12, 2024 14:35:42 GMT Harry Hayfield said:

They could be after all (Source: The Guardian)

"There have also been internal discussions about the prospect of carrying out a population-based boundary review. This would redraw constituencies’ boundaries according to the size of their populations – including children and immigrants – instead of the number of registered voters. Some have argued the existing system results in unbalanced constituencies, with inner-city MPs having to represent much larger populations. Downing Street declined to comment on the contents of the speech"

Nothing in that paragraph suggests that it would be done as urgently or as quickly as before the next general election, with boundaries already changed before then.

[J.G.Harston]

Jul 12, 2024 18:56:55 GMT johnloony said:

Jul 12, 2024 14:35:42 GMT Harry Hayfield said:

They could be after all (Source: The Guardian)

"There have also been internal discussions about the prospect of carrying out a population-based boundary review. This would redraw constituencies’ boundaries according to the size of their populations – including children and immigrants – instead of the number of registered voters. Some have argued the existing system results in unbalanced constituencies, with inner-city MPs having to represent much larger populations. Downing Street declined to comment on the contents of the speech"

Nothing in that paragraph suggests that it would be done as urgently or as quickly as before the next general election, with boundaries already changed before then.

Yeah, if I was setting it up I'd specify that redistricting happen 4-to-6 years after each decennial census, so the next one would be 2035 for a general election around about 2037-2039.

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There might not be any boundaries, because in addition to suspending candidates, the NEC may swoop down and suspend elections next. There are a Kafka-esque outfit, which IMO should be reformed. Love football. Hate FIFA. Love Labour. Hate the NEC. Love Europe. Hate the EU / ECHR.

[YL]

I would imagine that some Labour MPs from outside London, especially those from Scotland, might not be very keen on population-based apportionment.

[The Bishop]

Jul 13, 2024 7:38:27 GMT @weld said:

There might not be any boundaries, because in addition to suspending candidates, the NEC may swoop down and suspend elections next. There are a Kafka-esque outfit, which IMO should be reformed. Love football. Hate FIFA. Love Labour. Hate the NEC. Love Europe. Hate the EU / ECHR.

Apart from anything else, the NEC do not possess any legislative powers.....

[Deleted]

Jul 13, 2024 9:26:03 GMT The Bishop said:

Jul 13, 2024 7:38:27 GMT @weld said:

There might not be any boundaries, because in addition to suspending candidates, the NEC may swoop down and suspend elections next. There are a Kafka-esque outfit, which IMO should be reformed. Love football. Hate FIFA. Love Labour. Hate the NEC. Love Europe. Hate the EU / ECHR.

Apart from anything else, the NEC do not possess any legislative powers.....

Don't posses such powers right now ...

[greatkingrat]

Jul 13, 2024 7:38:27 GMT @weld said:

There might not be any boundaries, because in addition to suspending candidates, the NEC may swoop down and suspend elections next. There are a Kafka-esque outfit, which IMO should be reformed. Love football. Hate FIFA. Love Labour. Hate the NEC. Love Europe. Hate the EU / ECHR.

For someone who supposedly loves Labour, you seemed to spend a lot of your time campaigning to unseat their leader?

[Deleted]

Jul 13, 2024 16:19:54 GMT greatkingrat said:

Jul 13, 2024 7:38:27 GMT @weld said:

There might not be any boundaries, because in addition to suspending candidates, the NEC may swoop down and suspend elections next. There are a Kafka-esque outfit, which IMO should be reformed. Love football. Hate FIFA. Love Labour. Hate the NEC. Love Europe. Hate the EU / ECHR.

For someone who supposedly loves Labour, you seemed to spend a lot of your time campaigning to unseat their leader?

I loved Corbyn Labour without the antisemitism.

[gwynthegriff]

Jul 13, 2024 7:38:27 GMT @weld said:

There might not be any boundaries, because in addition to suspending candidates, the NEC may swoop down and suspend elections next. There are a Kafka-esque outfit, which IMO should be reformed. Love football. Hate FIFA. Love Labour. Hate the NEC. Love Europe. Hate the EU / ECHR.

Matron !

[nyx]

Jul 12, 2024 17:18:27 GMT J.G.Harston said:

Jul 12, 2024 14:35:42 GMT Harry Hayfield said:

They could be after all (Source: The Guardian)

"There have also been internal discussions about the prospect of carrying out a population-based boundary review. This would redraw constituencies’ boundaries according to the size of their populations – including children and immigrants – instead of the number of registered voters. Some have argued the existing system results in unbalanced constituencies, with inner-city MPs having to represent much larger populations. Downing Street declined to comment on the contents of the speech"

If it's population-based, it needs to be based on the immediately preceding census, which then also requires a question on citizenship, as further population-based redistricting must be based on citizenship.

Doesn't require a question on citizenship- that quote saying "including immigrants" implies that non-citizens would be included, as immigrants who are citizens are already included. The logic of a population-based review is that non-voters such as children and non-citizens still need an MP to represent them.

[J.G.Harston]

Jul 19, 2024 0:59:14 GMT nyx said:

Jul 12, 2024 17:18:27 GMT J.G.Harston said:

If it's population-based, it needs to be based on the immediately preceding census, which then also requires a question on citizenship, as further population-based redistricting must be based on citizenship.

Doesn't require a question on citizenship- that quote saying "including immigrants" implies that non-citizens would be included, as immigrants who are citizens are already included. The logic of a population-based review is that non-voters such as children and non-citizens still need an MP to represent them.

But foreigners have their foreign representatives to represent them. If they want to be part of the British system, become a British citizen.

[nyx]

Jul 19, 2024 14:57:49 GMT J.G.Harston said:

Jul 19, 2024 0:59:14 GMT nyx said:

Doesn't require a question on citizenship- that quote saying "including immigrants" implies that non-citizens would be included, as immigrants who are citizens are already included. The logic of a population-based review is that non-voters such as children and non-citizens still need an MP to represent them.

But foreigners have their foreign representatives to represent them. If they want to be part of the British system, become a British citizen.

I'm not referring to my personal political views on the of whether non-citizens should be included.

Just stating that if a population-based review happens as suggested by the Guardian, it would be based on total population and not taking citizenship into account, so your assertion that a population-based review would require the census to include a question on citizenship is unlikely to be correct.

[J.G.Harston]

Jul 19, 2024 15:46:31 GMT nyx said:

Jul 19, 2024 14:57:49 GMT J.G.Harston said:

But foreigners have their foreign representatives to represent them. If they want to be part of the British system, become a British citizen.

I'm not referring to my personal political views on the of whether non-citizens should be included.

Just stating that if a population-based review happens as suggested by the Guardian, it would be based on total population and not taking citizenship into account, so your assertion that a population-based review would require the census to include a question on citizenship is unlikely to be correct.

It would need legislation to abolish the rights of citizenship. Sorry, you slogged your gutys out for seven years to earn citizenship, **** you, we're now going to give it out to anybody with a pulse.