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Post by evergreenadam on Apr 4, 2024 22:03:16 GMT
There are two things here: - Firstly, whether or not you use the census, rather than the electoral register for the purposes of allocating seats to regions i.e ensuring electoral equality between regions. If the census is used then double counting would be eliminated both for second home owners and students as they can only be at one property on census night. But you also add in other variables at the same time, for example taking account for the first time of the under 18s, the unregistered adult population, prisoners etc. I would imagine that the overall effect would still be in Labour’s favour given that under registration is greatest in inner cities. Under such a proposal you would break the link between electoral equality and the number of voters actually on the electoral register. You would have to accept that one constituency could have an electorate that was say 30% higher than another. The votes of those in the constituency with the larger electorate would count for less. - Secondly, whether or not you follow that up with an amendment to the Franchise so that you can only register to vote at one address. It would be a lottery as to where students living away from home and second home owners would choose to register and if they were living there on polling day or when their postal vote arrived. One more possible effect of using the census, the census captures where you are on a particular night. So a major sporting event somewhere, or a big pop concert, with tens of thousands of people staying over in hotels could seriously skew the results. Do hotels complete census returns or are people just recorded as being temporarily away from home? I’m not sure how it works if you are away on holiday. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 4, 2024 22:34:42 GMT
One more possible effect of using the census, the census captures where you are on a particular night. So a major sporting event somewhere, or a big pop concert, with tens of thousands of people staying over in hotels could seriously skew the results. Do hotels complete census returns or are people just recorded as being temporarily away from home? I’m not sure how it works if you are away on holiday. Hotels certainly completed census forms in the past, as did ships in ports and travelling showmen in caravans. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 4, 2024 22:37:45 GMT
Because by giving it this title he got eght replies in a day? I suppose that is Gaelic for excellent? It is no excuse at all. No, that would be an fheabhas. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Apr 5, 2024 3:34:06 GMT
One more possible effect of using the census, the census captures where you are on a particular night. So a major sporting event somewhere, or a big pop concert, with tens of thousands of people staying over in hotels could seriously skew the results. Do hotels complete census returns or are people just recorded as being temporarily away from home? I’m not sure how it works if you are away on holiday. the UK Census counts usual residence, not where you happen to be on census night. Of course hotels complete census questionnaires - for people who don't have a permanent home elsewhere. |
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Post by nobodyimportant on Apr 5, 2024 9:40:00 GMT
Extending the franchise to 16 and 17 year oldsnon-adults non-citizens Come on, why not just admit it and extend the vote to all 8 billion human beings with a pulse? The age you become an adult is determined by the government. So all the government would need to do is say that you become an adult at 16 and you are no longer extending the franchise to non-adults. It's not without precedent either. |
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 5, 2024 10:50:18 GMT
Do hotels complete census returns or are people just recorded as being temporarily away from home? I’m not sure how it works if you are away on holiday. the UK Census counts usual residence, not where you happen to be on census night. Of course hotels complete census questionnaires - for people who don't have a permanent home elsewhere. Thank you, I did suspect that was the case. So that is one possible objection to doing parliamentary seats by population dealt with. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 5, 2024 11:22:18 GMT
I think Census practice has changed. In previous years' results there are statistics given for the population present on Census night who are visitors (ie usually resident elsewhere).
I remember my mother missed out on being counted in the 1991 Census because she was out of the UK on a study trip to Norway on the actual Census night.
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Post by johnloony on Apr 5, 2024 11:35:30 GMT
I think Census practice has changed. In previous years' results there are statistics given for the population present on Census night who are visitors (ie usually resident elsewhere). I remember my mother missed out on being counted in the 1991 Census because she was out of the UK on a study trip to Norway on the actual Census night. I didn't realise it had changed. I thought the whole point of a census was to get an instantaneous "snapshot" of where everybody is at a specific time on a specific date (including all the unusual people staying in hotels, sleeping over with friends etc) rather than where people "usually" live. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Apr 5, 2024 12:07:47 GMT
non-adults non-citizens Come on, why not just admit it and extend the vote to all 8 billion human beings with a pulse? The age you become an adult is determined by the government. So all the government would need to do is say that you become an adult at 16 and you are no longer extending the franchise to non-adults. It's not without precedent either. I would have no objection to that. If you want adult rights you need to be an adult with everything that entails, be held to adult contracts be tried in adult court be shot at as an adult soldier, and lose all and every right and protection of being a child. |
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Post by nobodyimportant on Apr 5, 2024 16:48:01 GMT
The age you become an adult is determined by the government. So all the government would need to do is say that you become an adult at 16 and you are no longer extending the franchise to non-adults. It's not without precedent either. I would have no objection to that. If you want adult rights you need to be an adult with everything that entails, be held to adult contracts be tried in adult court be shot at as an adult soldier, and lose all and every right and protection of being a child. Which is what I would advocate, with the obvious proviso that they should not be shot at as an adult soldier if they are not a soldier. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Apr 5, 2024 19:08:54 GMT
I think Census practice has changed. In previous years' results there are statistics given for the population present on Census night who are visitors (ie usually resident elsewhere). I remember my mother missed out on being counted in the 1991 Census because she was out of the UK on a study trip to Norway on the actual Census night. I didn't realise it had changed. I thought the whole point of a census was to get an instantaneous "snapshot" of where everybody is at a specific time on a specific date (including all the unusual people staying in hotels, sleeping over with friends etc) rather than where people "usually" live. I have probably mentioned this before, but when has that ever stopped me? When tracing my family tree, I found my direct male line great-great-great-grandfather was missing from the family home on census night in 1841, along with his eldest daughter (20 at the time). I located them at Worcester Wharf in Birmingham. I like to imagine they had transported vegetables by boat from Evesham to Birmingham via the Avon, the Severn and the canal. In 1851 he was back at home, but my many-greats-aunt Hephzibah had left after getting married in the meantime. |
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