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Post by nodealbrexiteer on May 24, 2024 14:09:46 GMT
What utter nonsense. He's had 4.5 years to notify his local party he wasn't planning to stand again. I assume you are very young with that trite bombast of the young? People have changes of heart and changes of mood, crises of confidence, loss of faith, imposed health issues, different family responsibilities all crowding in upon their life decisions. You assume it it is all so simplistic, so mechanical and so politics based! After 2019 he may well have expected to do at least one more GE; then was passed over yet again for lesser dross; then saw the May carnage; the Boris bluster and the Truss disaster. At times he might have wondered if he should resign as a point of principle or that his 'hour had come'? He is of an age when bad health news can suddenly occur or a spouse insists on more attention. Many things will affect his decision. He is not a party apparatchik or placeman. He has made his own decision to suit him and his nearest and dearest as should everyone. He may well have warned his local party (or not)? We don't know. His party did not 'have the courtesy' to warn him of the early GE so I suggest you tone it down. I'd like to quote this from the wikipedia page for Enoch Powell: After Major's challenger, John Redwood, was defeated, Powell wrote to him, "Dear Redwood, you will never regret the events of the last week or two. Patience will evidently have to be exercised—and patience is the greatest of the political virtues—by those of us who want to keep Britain independent and self-governed". |
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Post by johnloony on May 24, 2024 14:13:03 GMT
I assume you are very young with that trite bombast of the young? People have changes of heart and changes of mood, crises of confidence, loss of faith, imposed health issues, different family responsibilities all crowding in upon their life decisions. You assume it it is all so simplistic, so mechanical and so politics based! After 2019 he may well have expected to do at least one more GE; then was passed over yet again for lesser dross; then saw the May carnage; the Boris bluster and the Truss disaster. At times he might have wondered if he should resign as a point of principle or that his 'hour had come'? He is of an age when bad health news can suddenly occur or a spouse insists on more attention. Many things will affect his decision. He is not a party apparatchik or placeman. He has made his own decision to suit him and his nearest and dearest as should everyone. He may well have warned his local party (or not)? We don't know. His party did not 'have the courtesy' to warn him of the early GE so I suggest you tone it down. As possibly the most hyberbolic ranter on this site, telling someone to "tone it down" is a bit rich. Anybody who thinks that carlton43 is the most hyperbolic ranter should have custard squirted into their ears, their toes bitten off by a smelly goat, and be kicked to death by a gang of ostriches while being forced to eat 46 kilogrammes of rotting gherkins. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2024 14:15:30 GMT
As possibly the most hyberbolic ranter on this site, telling someone to "tone it down" is a bit rich. Anybody who thinks that carlton43 is the most hyperbolic ranter should have custard squirted into their ears, their toes bitten off by a smelly goat, and be kicked to death by a gang of ostriches while being forced to eat 46 kilogrammes of rotting gherkins. Have they met Richard Allen? Although he's banned so not technically "on this site". |
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Post by carlton43 on May 24, 2024 14:17:21 GMT
I assume you are very young with that trite bombast of the young? People have changes of heart and changes of mood, crises of confidence, loss of faith, imposed health issues, different family responsibilities all crowding in upon their life decisions. You assume it it is all so simplistic, so mechanical and so politics based! After 2019 he may well have expected to do at least one more GE; then was passed over yet again for lesser dross; then saw the May carnage; the Boris bluster and the Truss disaster. At times he might have wondered if he should resign as a point of principle or that his 'hour had come'? He is of an age when bad health news can suddenly occur or a spouse insists on more attention. Many things will affect his decision. He is not a party apparatchik or placeman. He has made his own decision to suit him and his nearest and dearest as should everyone. He may well have warned his local party (or not)? We don't know. His party did not 'have the courtesy' to warn him of the early GE so I suggest you tone it down. As possibly the most hyberbolic ranter on this site, telling someone to "tone it down" is a bit rich. He opened his can of worms and I am pointing out to him that they are 'worms'! I like your neologism but don't think I am that person anymore. I can be ironic, rude and I do value my abilities with sarcasm. |
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Post by johnloony on May 24, 2024 14:49:55 GMT
Then perhaps the prime minister should have had the courtesy to give everybody more time to prepare for the general election in October rather than springing it on us in July. If he wasn't planning to stand again he didn't need to wait for the PM's decision re the GE. Plenty of other MPs have given their constiturncy parties plenty of notice about their future plans to enable them to get their successors in place. The point you seem to be missing is that he hadn’t made up his mind yet. He may have been planning to think about it for another few weeks, announce a decision in July or August, which would have allowed more time for a selection in time for a general election in November. |
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Post by johnloony on May 24, 2024 14:50:19 GMT
Does Redwood retiring increase or decrease the Tory vote? Decrease |
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Post by right on May 24, 2024 14:56:50 GMT
Does Redwood retiring increase or decrease the Tory vote? Redwood had the reputation of being quite assiduous, although that was when he was middle aged. MPs rarely have much of a personal vote, but it's generally positive if slighter than the MP imagines - I don't think that will change here. |
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Post by arnieg on May 24, 2024 15:59:20 GMT
I think it depends on how his replacement is perceived. A mainstream Tory might win back some of the 'remainy' voters who are normally Tory but voted Lib Dem in 2019 (and were planning to do so again) but how many Redwood fans would then dessert to Reform?
And obviously a Steve Baker type would give some cover against Reform but send many undecided Tories towards the Lib Dems.
I think that Redwood's withdrawal might also reduce the motivation of Green and Labour supporters to vote tactically.
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Post by swingometer on May 24, 2024 16:22:51 GMT
Will be much missed, one of the true flagbearers for national sovereignty |
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Post by Merseymike on May 24, 2024 16:29:21 GMT
Will be much missed, one of the true flagbearers for national sovereignty 💩🤮 |
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Post by swingometer on May 24, 2024 16:39:42 GMT
One from the archives…
Rare non monotonous speech, excitement after the election maybe?
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Post by Tony Otim on May 24, 2024 18:36:23 GMT
I think it depends on how his replacement is perceived. A mainstream Tory might win back some of the 'remainy' voters who are normally Tory but voted Lib Dem in 2019 (and were planning to do so again) but how many Redwood fans would then dessert to Reform? And obviously a Steve Baker type would give some cover against Reform but send many undecided Tories towards the Lib Dems. I think that Redwood's withdrawal might also reduce the motivation of Green and Labour supporters to vote tactically. I don't quite agree with the last point - the main tactical incentive is to get rid of this awful government and personal feelings about Redwood probably play second to that. |
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Post by arnieg on May 24, 2024 19:02:09 GMT
I think it depends on how his replacement is perceived. A mainstream Tory might win back some of the 'remainy' voters who are normally Tory but voted Lib Dem in 2019 (and were planning to do so again) but how many Redwood fans would then dessert to Reform? And obviously a Steve Baker type would give some cover against Reform but send many undecided Tories towards the Lib Dems. I think that Redwood's withdrawal might also reduce the motivation of Green and Labour supporters to vote tactically. I don't quite agree with the last point - the main tactical incentive is to get rid of this awful government and personal feelings about Redwood probably play second to that. But if Labour are still 20 points ahead and a Tory meltdown is inevitable I imagine some Green/Labour voters will be less bothered about whether there are 28 or 29 Tories left and may stick with their preferred choice. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on May 24, 2024 20:15:17 GMT
As possibly the most hyberbolic ranter on this site, telling someone to "tone it down" is a bit rich. Anybody who thinks that carlton43 is the most hyperbolic ranter should have custard squirted into their ears, their toes bitten off by a smelly goat, and be kicked to death by a gang of ostriches while being forced to eat 46 kilogrammes of rotting gherkins. That's a strong pitch, John, but I'm still not sure that you're getting into the top three. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on May 24, 2024 20:21:13 GMT
I think it depends on how his replacement is perceived. A mainstream Tory might win back some of the 'remainy' voters who are normally Tory but voted Lib Dem in 2019 (and were planning to do so again) but how many Redwood fans would then dessert to Reform? And obviously a Steve Baker type would give some cover against Reform but send many undecided Tories towards the Lib Dems. I think that Redwood's withdrawal might also reduce the motivation of Green and Labour supporters to vote tactically. I would say that the biggest issue is not his personality as such (positive or negative) but whether or not the local LD ground war can use it to build a narrative of inevitable Tory defeat. Tactical voting and Tory switchers will be the priority but in this GE differential turn-out due to the fed-up or demoralised Tory just staying at home because they've given up is, I think going to be important. |
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Post by batman on May 24, 2024 21:09:53 GMT
Will be much missed, one of the true flagbearers for national sovereignty by you maybe. I have always regarded him as someone who should be intelligent enough to know better but apparently isn't |
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Post by batman on May 24, 2024 21:11:06 GMT
Anybody who thinks that carlton43 is the most hyperbolic ranter should have custard squirted into their ears, their toes bitten off by a smelly goat, and be kicked to death by a gang of ostriches while being forced to eat 46 kilogrammes of rotting gherkins. That's a strong pitch, John, but I'm still not sure that you're getting into the top three. Adam, it really is time for a "Vote UK's most hyperbolic ranters" thread. I think you should institute it |
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Post by riccimarsh on May 24, 2024 21:19:17 GMT
Will be much missed, one of the true flagbearers for national sovereignty by you maybe. I have always regarded him as someone who should be intelligent enough to know better but apparently isn't Such as not attempting to mime the words of a song he didn’t know, for example. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on May 25, 2024 1:27:26 GMT
That's a strong pitch, John, but I'm still not sure that you're getting into the top three. Adam, it really is time for a "Vote UK's most hyperbolic ranters" thread. I think you should institute it I've just had a go in the Retirements thread, I await my nomination. |
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Post by finsobruce on May 25, 2024 3:28:00 GMT
Adam, it really is time for a "Vote UK's most hyperbolic ranters" thread. I think you should institute it I've just had a go in the Retirements thread, I await my nomination. Duly nominated. 😊 |
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