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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 13:59:51 GMT
the thing is with UKIP it is all well and good being a protest party but that takes you only so far. UKIP are to say the least, unconventional. What if they do not want to form a government, EVER. They may say that what they choose to do, is be a thorn in the side of whoever gets a majority. In return for action on their single issue they will behave nicely, but if not, then look out for hell in Westminster. As for Scotland and Northern Ireland seats, they could well make agreements with SNP and Sinn Fein not to stand in seats that they would normally contend ... this could then fairly easily lead to an election outcome whereby a UKIP/SNP/Sinn Fein coalition are a major opposition force to Labour, and Tories and LibDems are out of it for a generation. In the new FOUR PARTY politics, not putting up candidates in seats that you know very well you are going to lose your deposit, is what 'serious' parties are expected to do. UKIP having a pact with Sinn Fein. Are you totally insane? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 14:06:05 GMT
I don't think an extra seat for SF would make much difference for Tories or Lib Dems. The Tories are also not much affected by extra seats for the SNP and their one seat in Scotland is not high on the SNP hit list. In theory that is more of a problem for the Lib Dems but that logic is probably only sustainable if the Lib Dem vote is at current levels which would leave us unlikely to be in government anyway. And doing a deal with SF would probably damage them in their southern heartlands. Colonel Blimp does not like deals with terrorists.My primary school teacher was a colonel in WW2, perhaps rather stereotypically he is now involved with UKIP |
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Post by erlend on Jun 27, 2013 14:17:50 GMT
Are you sure. Doing abit of basic calculation. To have taken part in WW2 you need to have been ca 18 in 1945. I'd would assume retired at 65 in 1992. So teaching people in primary 1 in 1991-2. You would basically have to be 26 or so.
To have been a Colonel in 1945 he can't have really been under 30 so add a dozen years to that, and that is pushing it. I thought you were younger than that. You can of course tell me to mind my own ****ing business.
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Post by john07 on Jun 27, 2013 14:59:35 GMT
Are you sure. Doing abit of basic calculation. To have taken part in WW2 you need to have been ca 18 in 1945. I'd would assume retired at 65 in 1992. So teaching people in primary 1 in 1991-2. You would basically have to be 26 or so. To have been a Colonel in 1945 he can't have really been under 30 so add a dozen years to that, and that is pushing it. I thought you were younger than that. You can of course tell me to mind my own ****ing business. I was taught Maths by someone who have worked as a teacher in Russia before the revolution. He looked about 90! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 15:01:05 GMT
so basically any charity funded majority by the tax payer, so will that include all Free schools and academies who have charity status, let to find one in the list searched for the Grace Academy - fakecharities.org/?s=grace+academyoh what a surprise not found ... strange that ... So I posted this and awaiting mod ... wonder if they will reply come on then prove yourself impartial. Lets look at the charities now running schools, lets take the Grace Academy for example, charity registered. Most money comes from general tax yet I search for school on here and nothing … they are now taking a larger and larger part of our tax money, why not them ? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 27, 2013 15:03:20 GMT
I was taught Maths by someone who have worked as a teacher in Russia before the revolution. He looked about 90! At my Cambridge entrance interview I discussed my already burgeoning interest in elections, and the interviewer was someone who remembered the days when he had a vote in the Cambridge University constituency. |
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Post by erlend on Jun 27, 2013 15:31:43 GMT
My first Chemistry teacher in 1975 had joined the staff in 1938 and come back after the war.
The last teacher from my schooldays is still there. He wa a mite offended when I asked if he was retiring this summer!
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Post by greenchristian on Jun 27, 2013 15:50:30 GMT
Time has moved on. In 74 the Liberals were treated as serious without I think a full slate. Indeed. There were unopposed Westminster seats as late as 1951. Of course once the full slate convention has been established for a party it becomes impossible to retreat from without major loss of face. It's quite easy to field less than a full slate without any loss of face if you're standing down in favour of non-partisan candidates in a high profile seat (most obvious example: Tatton, 1997).[/pedant] |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 27, 2013 16:24:12 GMT
Yes, in practice we are talking about full slates in all "normal" seats (ie excluding one-offs like that or the Speaker's constituency)
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 27, 2013 16:30:19 GMT
so basically any charity funded majority by the tax payer, so will that include all Free schools and academies who have charity status, let to find one in the list searched for the Grace Academy - fakecharities.org/?s=grace+academyoh what a surprise not found ... strange that ... So I posted this and awaiting mod ... wonder if they will reply come on then prove yourself impartial. Lets look at the charities now running schools, lets take the Grace Academy for example, charity registered. Most money comes from general tax yet I search for school on here and nothing … they are now taking a larger and larger part of our tax money, why not them ? Do you find it as difficult to read English as you do to write it? This is really not that difficult It is this kind of thing that they are talking about www.handsoffourpacks.com/newsroom/taxpayers-money-used-to-lobby-government-on-plain-packaging/ |
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Post by Devonian on Jun 27, 2013 16:36:14 GMT
so basically any charity funded majority by the tax payer I think the idea is that it's not simply majority govt funded but majority govt funded which then spends much or all of the money on lobbying and PR. The fake charities website doesn't seem to have been updated for a couple of years so I doubt you'll get a reply. |
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Post by greenchristian on Jun 27, 2013 17:25:59 GMT
It's quite easy to field less than a full slate without any loss of face if you're standing down in favour of non-partisan candidates in a high profile seat (most obvious example: Tatton, 1997).[/pedant] Well, yes, but Devonian is obviously talking about pulling out of dozens of seats because you know you are wasting your money Hence the pedant tag.  |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jun 27, 2013 18:55:52 GMT
Several of my teachers at my school in the 1970s ( I was in my teens ) had served in WWII. We could often de-rail a boring lesson by getting them to tell us war stories.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 19:15:51 GMT
so basically any charity funded majority by the tax payer, so will that include all Free schools and academies who have charity status, let to find one in the list searched for the Grace Academy - fakecharities.org/?s=grace+academyoh what a surprise not found ... strange that ... So I posted this and awaiting mod ... wonder if they will reply come on then prove yourself impartial. Lets look at the charities now running schools, lets take the Grace Academy for example, charity registered. Most money comes from general tax yet I search for school on here and nothing … they are now taking a larger and larger part of our tax money, why not them ? Do you find it as difficult to read English as you do to write it? This is really not that difficult It is this kind of thing that they are talking about www.handsoffourpacks.com/newsroom/taxpayers-money-used-to-lobby-government-on-plain-packaging/I define a fake charity as one used for millionnaires to write off tax losses pretending to educate kids and getting more than 90% from the tax payer. How convenient that they rule out those that an obviously right leaning site would agree with ? Is the TPA a registered 'charity' ? |
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Post by erlend on Jun 27, 2013 19:18:00 GMT
I suspect not. Far too political.
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Post by Tony Otim on Jun 27, 2013 19:29:25 GMT
My Latin teacher had been a POW under the Japanese during WWII.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 27, 2013 20:21:20 GMT
I define a fake charity as one used for millionnaires to write off tax losses pretending to educate kids and getting more than 90% from the tax payer. How convenient that they rule out those that an obviously right leaning site would agree with ? Is the TPA a registered 'charity' ? They aren't and they don't receive taxpayers money either. Congratulations on spectacularly missing the point as usual |
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Post by erlend on Jun 27, 2013 20:47:42 GMT
Perhaps Ian did it so we could illustrate the case ;-)
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Post by erlend on Jun 27, 2013 21:28:26 GMT
Also it would hobble their campaigning about what they are allowed to do.
Now I might be in favour of gagging the TPA but their people would not.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 27, 2013 22:19:39 GMT
The tax payers alliance isn't funded by the taxpayer, Ian. No. It won't say who it is funded by. And it's got a director whose involvement is questionable because he's not paid any UK tax in several years: www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/09/taxpayers-alliance-director-taxAnd about these charities with questions to answer, what about the Politics and Economic Research Trust? (That's Charity 1121849). Income in 2010 £248,832. Grants to the TaxPayers' Alliance in same year £325,000. Income in 2011 £607,285 so they increased their grant to the Taxpayers' Alliance in 2011 to £395,000 and also gave some money to the New Culture Forum (which says it wants to stop the Left winning the Culture Wars) and the Centre for Policy Studies. |
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