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Post by stb12 on Jul 30, 2024 8:37:17 GMT
Considering the Conservatives were so roundly defeated then putting that much focus on Hunt managing to hang on just makes movements like this seem like it’s more about high profile scalps than actually changing the government |
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Post by right on Jul 30, 2024 8:49:55 GMT
Considering the Conservatives were so roundly defeated then putting that much focus on Hunt managing to hang on just makes movements like this seem like it’s more about high profile scalps than actually changing the government It is interesting that the Greens don't currently seem to be keen on cross party working. I knew there was friction with Labour, but there's a history of working with Lib Dems. |
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Post by stb12 on Jul 30, 2024 9:04:16 GMT
Considering the Conservatives were so roundly defeated then putting that much focus on Hunt managing to hang on just makes movements like this seem like it’s more about high profile scalps than actually changing the government It is interesting that the Greens don't currently seem to be keen on cross party working. I knew there was friction with Labour, but there's a history of working with Lib Dems. Did the few deals they made with each other in 2017 and 2019 really go beyond stop Brexit attempts? Nationally anyway obviously local government deals can be a different matter |
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Post by right on Jul 30, 2024 9:09:27 GMT
It is interesting that the Greens don't currently seem to be keen on cross party working. I knew there was friction with Labour, but there's a history of working with Lib Dems. Did the few deals they made with each other in 2017 and 2019 really go beyond stop Brexit attempts? Nationally anyway obviously local government deals can be a different matter Stop Brexit was still a deal and ground breaking in some respects. And it was as recently as the last election. Also Greens and Liberals probably the most likely to work together at local government level. |
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Post by greenchristian on Jul 31, 2024 9:48:44 GMT
Considering the Conservatives were so roundly defeated then putting that much focus on Hunt managing to hang on just makes movements like this seem like it’s more about high profile scalps than actually changing the government It is interesting that the Greens don't currently seem to be keen on cross party working. I knew there was friction with Labour, but there's a history of working with Lib Dems. Cross-party working is not the same thing as standing down candidates in an election. Especially in a General Election where the chances of a paper candidate changing the outcome in the way you want are extremely small. In this case 72% of actual Green voters would have had to decide to go Lib Dem (assuming none of them went Conservative) in order to change the outcome. Which would be an extremely high transfer rate in an AV or STV system, and is unlikely to have actually happened if we had stood down. At one of last years' Green Party conferences members voted for a motion that removed local parties' ability to refuse to select a candidate for General Elections. This is a clear-cut case of a local party trying to do just that. And doing so in what looks like a very calculated way (though they obviously misjudged how quickly the national party could get an emergency candidate in place). |
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Post by right on Jul 31, 2024 10:09:41 GMT
It is interesting that the Greens don't currently seem to be keen on cross party working. I knew there was friction with Labour, but there's a history of working with Lib Dems. Cross-party working is not the same thing as standing down candidates in an election. Especially in a General Election where the chances of a paper candidate changing the outcome in the way you want are extremely small. In this case 72% of actual Green voters would have had to decide to go Lib Dem (assuming none of them went Conservative) in order to change the outcome. Which would be an extremely high transfer rate in an AV or STV system, and is unlikely to have actually happened if we had stood down. At one of last years' Green Party conferences members voted for a motion that removed local parties' ability to refuse to select a candidate for General Elections. This is a clear-cut case of a local party trying to do just that. And doing so in what looks like a very calculated way (though they obviously misjudged how quickly the national party could get an emergency candidate in place). Fair enough, the Greens are becoming more of a normal party. But it's still notable. |
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