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Post by arnieg on Jul 8, 2024 6:55:37 GMT
H & B was never really a target in the sense the others were. It was the best opportunity in my part of the world but at best a slim one. I don't think having 0 MPs out of 72 representing an East Midlands constituency is a good look for a nationwide party. Failing to crack any of the 27 seats left in the North East is a tad more forgivable. It's a pretty normal state of affairs. Between Ernest Pickering [Leicester West 1931-35] until Paul Holmes [Chesterfield 2001-10] the region was without Liberal (Democrat) representation. I remember back in '87 being told we were 'on the brink' of winning H&B, only to see a 5 figure majority. If the excellent Michael Mullaney could make little impact against the frankly bonkers Tredinnick I wasn't expecting much this time. |
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Post by steve on Jul 8, 2024 15:52:10 GMT
I don't think having 0 MPs out of 72 representing an East Midlands constituency is a good look for a nationwide party. Failing to crack any of the 27 seats left in the North East is a tad more forgivable. It's a pretty normal state of affairs. Between Ernest Pickering [Leicester West 1931-35] until Paul Holmes [Chesterfield 2001-10] the region was without Liberal (Democrat) representation. I remember back in '87 being told we were 'on the brink' of winning H&B, only to see a 5 figure majority. If the excellent Michael Mullaney could make little impact against the frankly bonkers Tredinnick I wasn't expecting much this time. Sir Wiiliam Edge (Bosworth) was elected as a Liberal at a by-election in 1927 but sat as a National Liberal from 1931-45. |
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Post by steve on Jul 8, 2024 15:55:54 GMT
H & B was never really a target in the sense the others were. It was the best opportunity in my part of the world but at best a slim one. I don't think having 0 MPs out of 72 representing an East Midlands constituency is a good look for a nationwide party. Failing to crack any of the 27 seats left in the North East is a tad more forgivable. Frankly after the GEs of 2015-19 they were rather more concerned about survival than how it might look to certain people. I think the results more than justify their strategy. |
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Post by greenchristian on Jul 8, 2024 20:31:37 GMT
I think the fact he’s been the MP and a high profile one for 19 years might have a tad more to do with it than where he went to school. Fair enough. I personally would find it hard to vote for someone who didn't go to Oxford or Cambridge, LSE, UCL or Imperial, for example. What makes you think that those particular universities teach something that makes somebody uniquely qualified to hold public office? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 1:26:16 GMT
Fair enough. I personally would find it hard to vote for someone who didn't go to Oxford or Cambridge, LSE, UCL or Imperial, for example. What makes you think that those particular universities teach something that makes somebody uniquely qualified to hold public office? The Socratic Method. |
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Post by john07 on Jul 9, 2024 1:53:32 GMT
It's a pretty normal state of affairs. Between Ernest Pickering [Leicester West 1931-35] until Paul Holmes [Chesterfield 2001-10] the region was without Liberal (Democrat) representation. I remember back in '87 being told we were 'on the brink' of winning H&B, only to see a 5 figure majority. If the excellent Michael Mullaney could make little impact against the frankly bonkers Tredinnick I wasn't expecting much this time. Sir Wiiliam Edge (Bosworth) was elected as a Liberal at a by-election in 1927 but sat as a National Liberal from 1931-45. National Liberals do not count. They were Conservatives apart from the name since they were formed in 1931. |
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Post by greenchristian on Jul 9, 2024 8:20:10 GMT
What makes you think that those particular universities teach something that makes somebody uniquely qualified to hold public office? The Socratic Method. You mean one of the things I learned at Warwick?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 8:22:01 GMT
You mean one of the things I learned at Warwick? Warwick is OK, but generally speaking the best universities for employment end outcomes in the UK are Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, UCL, King's and Imperial College. |
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Post by greenchristian on Jul 9, 2024 8:23:23 GMT
You mean one of the things I learned at Warwick? Warwick is OK, but generally speaking the best universities for employment end outcomes in the UK are Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, UCL, King's and Imperial College. And why do you think that the Old Boys Network is a good thing? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 8:24:16 GMT
Warwick is OK, but generally speaking the best universities for employment end outcomes in the UK are Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, UCL, King's and Imperial College. And why do you think that the Old Boys Network is a good thing? Because 1) I know my place and 2) the Battle of Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton. Charterhouse and Magdalen College, Oxford made Hunt who he is. |
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Post by right on Jul 9, 2024 8:56:15 GMT
Is this the only seat in the land where the Tory candidate's school might likely have saved him? Hunt went to Charterhouse, which I think is in the constituency. You've tried pushing this line earlier. It is totally irrelevant. Hate to say it, but I'm not sure it's that wild an idea. Often find that private schools are like local MPs, in the areas where there are private schools people don't like private schools in general but think that their local one is OK. I remember there was a similar finding about Trade Unions in the 1980s. Alumni effects also matter, and even for big public schools like Charterhouse there will be a higher density of alumni locally. Obviously depends on the school because some really seem to try hard to offend the neighbours. Same could be said of some safe seat MPs. But I suspect it's marginal. But then, so's his seat. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 9:02:30 GMT
And why do you think that the Old Boys Network is a good thing? 2) the Battle of Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton. Charterhouse and Magdalen College, Oxford made Hunt who he is. Then why do you vote? Surely such an important decision as who governors should be left to those who have earned the right through an education at the proper uni, or good old fashioned nepotism rather than mere mortals such as us? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 9:06:40 GMT
Because 1) I know my place and 2) the Battle of Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton. Charterhouse and Magdalen College, Oxford made Hunt who he is. Then why do you vote? It's important to legitimate the systems I support through voting in elections even though I know who I am voting for based on educational background. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 9:08:30 GMT
If you "know your place" and everything is the preserve of Oxbridge graduates, why do they need you to legitimise them? Surely their status as Oxbridge graduates is all the legitimacy they need?
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 9, 2024 9:27:34 GMT
If you "know your place" and everything is the preserve of Oxbridge graduates, why do they need you to legitimise them? Surely their status as Oxbridge graduates is all the legitimacy they need? Far from legitimizing them, his every utterance diminishes and spoils the 'brand' by indisputably proving that one may be an Oxbridge graduate and yet still be a know-nothing complete and utter twerp. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 15:46:54 GMT
If you "know your place" and everything is the preserve of Oxbridge graduates, why do they need you to legitimise them? Surely their status as Oxbridge graduates is all the legitimacy they need? Good point. I just hope the next LOTO is Oxbridge-educated and not Kemi or Priti. Labour have never won a majority without an Oxbridge educated leader. Only Major and Churchill did the for the Tories since World War II. It tells you something. Labour can't win with a Foot or a Callaghan or a Brown as leader. It also helps being an English MP. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 16:04:00 GMT
If you "know your place" and everything is the preserve of Oxbridge graduates, why do they need you to legitimise them? Surely their status as Oxbridge graduates is all the legitimacy they need? Good point. I just hope the next LOTO is Oxbridge-educated and not Kemi or Priti. Labour have never won a majority without an Oxbridge educated leader. Only Major and Churchill did the for the Tories since World War II. It tells you something. Labour can't win with a Foot or a Callaghan or a Brown as leader. It also helps being an English MP. What it tells you is that a powerful elite still has far too much power to themselves and it's about time somebody did something about it |
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Post by Sandy on Jul 10, 2024 0:18:44 GMT
If you "know your place" and everything is the preserve of Oxbridge graduates, why do they need you to legitimise them? Surely their status as Oxbridge graduates is all the legitimacy they need? Good point. I just hope the next LOTO is Oxbridge-educated and not Kemi or Priti. Labour have never won a majority without an Oxbridge educated leader. Only Major and Churchill did the for the Tories since World War II. It tells you something. Labour can't win with a Foot or a Callaghan or a Brown as leader. It also helps being an English MP. Correlation does not equal causation. |
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Post by right on Jul 30, 2024 7:09:12 GMT
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Post by heslingtonian on Jul 30, 2024 7:52:39 GMT
One factor which may save Hunt is that unlike certain other MP's (and cabinet ministers) he knows how to campaign. Because he has had to. This was in hindsight a very astute observation. |
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