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Post by heslingtonian on Jun 30, 2024 19:46:11 GMT
Yes it seems there's been way too much talk about it now to really provide any shock value like Portillo's defeat clearly did, as much as a sitting Chancellor losing his seat would/will still be a significant moment in history It has been so trailed that it wouldn’t be a surprise. I think the scope for a true Portillo moment has been greatly reduced these days due to 24 hour news and social media. Everyone is well aware of all possible and even some almost impossible losses. There are also 2 other major differences- Portillo was a leading contender to be party leader had he survived, Hunt isn’t and the Tory majority in Enfield Southgate had never been below 10000 at a GE before 1997, Hunts seat has been marginal in living memory. That won’t stop it being called a Portillo moment if Hunt does lose though. Badenoch losing would be the closest thing to a Portillo moment - likely future Party Leader, a seat which the Conservative Party has dominated historically with a seemingly impregnable majority, a seat that wasn't trailed much by the media during the campaign as being in danger and an unpopular Cabinet member with the public associated with the Right of the Party. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 30, 2024 20:31:43 GMT
Wasn't Friary Meux (pronounced Mewks) based up that way? I'm pretty sure that it was in Guildford. The shopping centre is I think named partly after it. Friary Meux was one of a number of "local" brands revived by Allied Breweries in the early 80’s but with no brewery of its own. The beer was brewed by Ind Coope in Romford. The others were Taylor Walker (covering east and central London, Benskins (covering north west London and Watford) and Halls,.which covered Oxford and its hinterland, and whose Harvest Bitter was brewed in Burton. A few pubs retained the Ind Coope branding but most pubs in the relevant areas were rebadged to the preferred "local" identity. In fairness, the beers were decent and the treatment of the pubs not too overbearing, it was just a shame that the breweries referenced by the rebranding no longer existed. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 30, 2024 20:42:51 GMT
Wasn't Friary Meux (pronounced Mewks) based up that way? I'm pretty sure that it was in Guildford. The shopping centre is I think named partly after it. Friary, Holroyd and Healy's of Guildford merged with the Meux brewery in 1956 to form Friary Meux .
Meux had originally brewed on Tottenham Court Road (where the Dominion theatre is) and moved to Nine Elms when they took over Thornes.
Nine Elms closed in 1964 and Friary Meux in Guildford in 1969, although i think the latter name survived for quite a while after. I seem to remember drinking something under that name in the 1980s.
Meux had originally been in partnership with Reid, and long after he left Reid merged with Combes and Watneys. Harvey Combe was at one point Mayor of London.
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Post by cogload on Jul 1, 2024 6:42:45 GMT
One factor which may save Hunt is that unlike certain other MP's (and cabinet ministers) he knows how to campaign. Because he has had to.
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Post by flagman on Jul 1, 2024 7:30:35 GMT
Hunt 10/3 on Bet 365 to win , worth a punt going by this thread .
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Post by iainbhx on Jul 1, 2024 8:06:51 GMT
Wasn't Friary Meux (pronounced Mewks) based up that way? Friary Meux was produced in Guildford but there were quite a few tied houses in Godalming in the 80‘s because of some sort of local revival by Ind Coope but the beer was no longer local. I tried a couple of pints during its last years and understood why the locals called it Friary Muck. |
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Post by batman on Jul 1, 2024 8:08:44 GMT
the late 70s/80s version of Friary Meux bitter alluded to was OK, but a little insipid. It was perhaps a bit better than Taylor Walker Bitter but less good than Benskins Bitter. All were brewed in Romford, which is long since closed down. The strong dark beer they brewed for a time, Taylor Walker Mainline, was in contrast very nice indeed, though less commonly available.
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Post by cogload on Jul 4, 2024 9:38:32 GMT
One factor which may save Hunt is that unlike certain other MP's (and cabinet ministers) he knows how to campaign. Because he has had to. Will stick by this. |
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Post by YL on Jul 5, 2024 3:47:31 GMT
This seems like the only real disappointment I've seen for the Lib Dems against the Tories.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2024 3:47:55 GMT
Tory majority is basically what it was in South West Surrey in 2001.
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Post by stb12 on Jul 5, 2024 3:48:04 GMT
Jeremy Hunt must have run a brilliant local campaign here
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 5, 2024 3:52:26 GMT
Jeremy Hunt must have run a brilliant local campaign here He's also (as even the Graun admitted) more more liked than some people's prejudices allow them to admit. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2024 3:52:50 GMT
Hunt did go to Charterhouse which helps him a lot.
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 5, 2024 19:42:42 GMT
Jeremy Hunt must have run a brilliant local campaign here He's also (as even the Graun admitted) more more liked than some people's prejudices allow them to admit. Yes, a personable chap with a good rep locally who abandoned the national campaign and completely commited himself and his team to staying in. And who can blame him. |
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Post by heslingtonian on Jul 6, 2024 18:13:05 GMT
Hunt has already ruled out standing for the Party leadership. I assume he'll be something of a Theresa May type figure in this Parliament i.e. a bit of an elder statesman which is probably needed given the massive churn in MPs.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jul 6, 2024 18:25:01 GMT
Might also fancy his chances as a SC Chair again.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 6, 2024 18:55:43 GMT
Hunt could be the PAC chair - normally a senior opposition MP with government experience, especially financial.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 6, 2024 19:10:52 GMT
He's also (as even the Graun admitted) more more liked than some people's prejudices allow them to admit. Yes, a personable chap with a good rep locally who abandoned the national campaign and completely commited himself and his team to staying in. And who can blame him. A senior officer has a moral responsibility to fight with his men. By abandoning his team to save his own skin Hunt has prolonged his stay in Parliament but shredded his reputation among his fellow Tory MPs. |
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Post by batman on Jul 6, 2024 20:18:01 GMT
I don't see why Hunt should be condemned for fighting a good campaign in what he knew was a marginal seat. This is the second time he has defied predictions to survive; the first was his initial election in 2005, when Virginia Bottomley bequeathed him a very small majority but he increased it very handily indeed. This is easily his smallest majority despite basically favourable boundary changes. But the Tories held Farnham & Bordon too; things could have been even worse, and I am surprised by these two particular Tory holds.
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Post by steve on Jul 7, 2024 3:41:13 GMT
Yes, a personable chap with a good rep locally who abandoned the national campaign and completely commited himself and his team to staying in. And who can blame him. A senior officer has a moral responsibility to fight with his men. By abandoning his team to save his own skin Hunt has prolonged his stay in Parliament but shredded his reputation among his fellow Tory MPs. He did nothing thet practically every other senior Conservative MP didn't do. For instance where were the Deputy PM and party chairman both of whom held much safer seats on paper. Sunak got very little support from other senior figures because they were all trying to save themselves. |
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