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Post by matureleft on May 29, 2024 18:31:35 GMT
It’s perhaps worth adding that the conspiracy theory - a left purge - doesn’t work that well with him. He’s been extremely quiet and compliant for the last couple of years and got on with being a very active and quite effective local MP. The more likely source of an accusation is from the left - someone with whom he was associated and is disappointed with subsequent events. We may find out.
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Post by jamie on May 29, 2024 18:38:30 GMT
Question for our Labour people, why does it take so long to investigate a complaint? Surely they can quickly do an initial investigation and make a reasonable judgment about the truth and severity of an accusation? The current system seems to allow a suspension from spurious accusations to someone all but convicted of a crime.
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Post by john07 on May 29, 2024 18:46:24 GMT
Question for our Labour people, why does it take so long to investigate a complaint? Surely they can quickly do an initial investigation and make a reasonable judgment about the truth and severity of an accusation? The current system seems to allow a suspension from spurious accusations to someone all but convicted of a crime. It does appear to be a complete shambles. Nick Brown was suspended for ages and eventually gave up and quit. I wonder if the apparent ‘clearing’ of Abbott is to preclude her supporters from crossing over into Islington? |
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Post by John Chanin on May 29, 2024 18:54:10 GMT
There is clearly a problem here. In 2019 a similar allegation, which turned out to be spurious, derailed Jas Athwal in Ilford South. On the one hand parties cannot ignore serious allegations against their candidates. But on the other hand it is open season to personal vendettas, which can be carefully timed to do the most damage.
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Post by graham on May 29, 2024 19:02:18 GMT
Labour only gained the seat in 2017 - so were he to run as an Independent the Tories might win it back.
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Post by graham on May 29, 2024 19:05:03 GMT
Surely people on the left could start playing the same trick by making false or spurious comments re those on the Right - eg Wesley Streeting and others.
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Post by iainbhx on May 29, 2024 19:06:05 GMT
Labour only gained the seat in 2017 - so were he to run as an Independent the Tories might win it back. More chance of pork chops being served on Saudi Arabian Airlines. You might consider that the Landlloyd isn't very long-serving or that popular. |
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Post by graham on May 29, 2024 19:12:56 GMT
Someone could make a false malicious allegation that Starmer 'mande a pass' at them years ago at the DPP. Where might that lead?
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Post by mboy on May 29, 2024 19:19:29 GMT
Superb. He should have been thrown out after his disgraceful behaviour last year when he verbally intimidated several women in the House of Commons and physically intimidated another, during a debate. He's an obnoxious thug and should have been barred from the Commons then.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on May 29, 2024 19:22:35 GMT
Surely people on the left could start playing the same trick by making false or spurious comments re those on the Right - eg Wesley Streeting and others. That has been suggested on another forum I'm a member of |
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Post by Sibboleth on May 29, 2024 19:27:26 GMT
The timing of the Hartlepool allegation was not like this one. Of course I don't know the details of what the allegation is and perhaps if I did I'd think that the decision was the right one, but it's not hard to see why people are concerned. No, I understand concerns about the timing, particularly given the Labour Party's long and glorious history of selection silly buggers. But there seems to me that there is no way for Labour (or any other party) to win over this sort of thing: if credible-seeming accusations have been raised against a candidate and things have either not been resolved or the accusations are new, then the Party gets criticized if it drops the candidate, and the Party also gets criticized if it does not and it later transpires that the candidate did do something very wrong. |
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Post by Sibboleth on May 29, 2024 19:31:38 GMT
It’s perhaps worth adding that the conspiracy theory - a left purge - doesn’t work that well with him. He’s been extremely quiet and compliant for the last couple of years and got on with being a very active and quite effective local MP. The more likely source of an accusation is from the left - someone with whom he was associated and is disappointed with subsequent events. We may find out. The precise phrasing of his statement is not very suggestive of it either. It's an understandable assumption to leap to at first, especially given some of the divisions in Brighton over the past decade, but currently it doesn't look like it's that. |
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Post by batman on May 29, 2024 20:03:21 GMT
Labour only gained the seat in 2017 - so were he to run as an Independent the Tories might win it back. a ) he has said that he will not stand - standing as an independent is clearly incompatible with co-operating with the party on these allegations, which he has stated he will do b ) his personal vote is nothing like large enough to enable a Tory win. |
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Post by finsobruce on May 29, 2024 20:12:58 GMT
Someone could make a false malicious allegation that Starmer 'mande a pass' at them years ago at the DPP. Where might that lead? Back to you by the sound of it. Or possibly Carshalton.  |
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Post by carswellfan on May 29, 2024 20:16:44 GMT
Well, this is good news. Just surprised it has taken this long for the party to get rid of him. The man has been an absolute liability and unhinged idiot since the day he was elected. I spent most of polling day 2017 in his constituency trying to get Simon Kirby (very decent MP) re-elected, but sadly they elected this prat by quite the margin.
A hangover from the Corbyn days and I am quite surprised it has taken this long for Starmer tog etc rid of him.
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Post by Merseymike on May 29, 2024 20:26:33 GMT
Well, this is good news. Just surprised it has taken this long for the party to get rid of him. The man has been an absolute liability and unhinged idiot since the day he was elected. I spent most of polling day 2017 in his constituency trying to get Simon Kirby (very decent MP) re-elected, but sadly they elected this prat by quite the margin. A hangover from the Corbyn days and I am quite surprised it has taken this long for Starmer tog etc rid of him. So - you were a UKIP councillor? I assume you voted Conservative in 2017? |
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Post by carswellfan on May 29, 2024 20:31:43 GMT
Indeed. I left UKIP in early 2016 and defected to Conservative the same year.
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Post by batman on May 29, 2024 20:41:46 GMT
Well, this is good news. Just surprised it has taken this long for the party to get rid of him. The man has been an absolute liability and unhinged idiot since the day he was elected. I spent most of polling day 2017 in his constituency trying to get Simon Kirby (very decent MP) re-elected, but sadly they elected this prat by quite the margin. A hangover from the Corbyn days and I am quite surprised it has taken this long for Starmer tog etc rid of him. it was not Starmer who took this decision. Who knows, he might have wanted to - but it was not his decision to suspend Lloyd Russell-Moyle. |
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Post by carswellfan on May 29, 2024 20:50:23 GMT
I'm sure it wasn't him persay, but the party. But C'mon, this is politics - shady things and dirty tricks do happen. And for those of us who have been around this long enough - and that's most of us here - all know this is a very likely scenario and not *just* a Corbynista conspiracy.
And it's a smart move, too. I like and respect Starmer for purging the "flotsam and jetsam" out for his party. If we are to have a Labour government, it should be one that is genuinely a stable and sensible government run by genuinely decent people, whatever my ideological differences with them may be.
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Post by markgoodair on May 29, 2024 20:52:54 GMT
It's really cutting it close to select a new candidate considering nominations close a week on Friday.
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