stb12
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Post by stb12 on Mar 13, 2024 22:54:05 GMT
Manchester Central
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Apr 1, 2024 18:21:19 GMT
Manchester Central is expanded into Failsworth  |
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Post by batman on Apr 1, 2024 19:03:53 GMT
yes, it's a weird boundary change. Failsworth has been part of a Manchester constituency before, but not linked with the city centre. It's all in my constituency profile in the Almanac here
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 3, 2024 18:49:08 GMT
yes, it's a weird boundary change. Failsworth has been part of a Manchester constituency before, but not linked with the city centre. It's all in my constituency profile in the Almanac here Failsworth types see themselves as Mancs and not Oldhamers, but it really doesn't feel like it should be connected to the city centre. That said, it's closer to Albert Square than (for example) Didsbury village. |
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Post by batman on Apr 3, 2024 19:35:24 GMT
yes, as Manchester is a rather long thin city in terms of its official city boundaries. It's quite a long way from the city centre to the airport, but you can be in the city centre, walk 2 minutes or even less and be over the city boundary into Salford.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 1, 2024 18:50:31 GMT
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Post by owainsutton on Jun 1, 2024 18:54:14 GMT
I've seen tweets from Labour saying that this seat is 'twinned' with Altrincham & Sale West, for campaign purposes.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 1, 2024 19:14:04 GMT
All non-battleground seats have a battleground seat they are twinned with.
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Post by owainsutton on Jun 1, 2024 19:21:42 GMT
All non-battleground seats have a battleground seat they are twinned with. I'd pay to see the actual map this produces. (Except wouldn't pay, might be reported as election spending) |
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Post by batman on Jun 1, 2024 19:37:45 GMT
I'm in a seat which, even with my party in a very big lead, is clearly unwinnable. It's twinned with Uxbridge & South Ruislip, so that's where most of my election work will be this election. Several of my neighbouring CLPs are I believe twinned with Chelsea & Fulham. Others will be twinned with David B's constituency. Some other seats are being worked properly, but not getting help from other CLPs generally speaking.
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Post by Ports on Jun 1, 2024 20:02:33 GMT
I'm in a seat which, even with my party in a very big lead, is clearly unwinnable. It's twinned with Uxbridge & South Ruislip, so that's where most of my election work will be this election. Several of my neighbouring CLPs are I believe twinned with Chelsea & Fulham. Others will be twinned with David B's constituency. Some other seats are being worked properly, but not getting help from other CLPs generally speaking. None with Wimbledon? I suppose that's more logically paired with seats to its east. |
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Post by bsjmcr on Jun 1, 2024 23:03:53 GMT
I've seen tweets from Labour saying that this seat is 'twinned' with Altrincham & Sale West, for campaign purposes. I assume a target seat can have more than one twin? Alt & SW is literally surrounded by safe Labour seats to its north and east, surely Wythenshawe doesn't need any help for example! Then again Alty is fairly easy to get to on the tram from Manchester. |
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Post by john07 on Jun 2, 2024 0:07:15 GMT
I've seen tweets from Labour saying that this seat is 'twinned' with Altrincham & Sale West, for campaign purposes. I assume a target seat can have more than one twin? Alt & SW is literally surrounded by safe Labour seats to its north and east, surely Wythenshawe doesn't need any help for example! Then again Alty is fairly easy to get to on the tram from Manchester. The other issue relates to the question of whether Manchester Central is so overflowing with activists that they can help out in Altrincham? From my recollection in the past, seats like Altrincham and Sale West were for more likely to have active members than the likes of Manchester Central with a very transient population? |
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Post by owainsutton on Jun 2, 2024 5:19:49 GMT
I've seen tweets from Labour saying that this seat is 'twinned' with Altrincham & Sale West, for campaign purposes. I assume a target seat can have more than one twin? Alt & SW is literally surrounded by safe Labour seats to its north and east, surely Wythenshawe doesn't need any help for example! Then again Alty is fairly easy to get to on the tram from Manchester. Yes, I was wondering how flexible this 'twinning' definition is. |
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Post by batman on Jun 2, 2024 7:06:25 GMT
I assume a target seat can have more than one twin? Alt & SW is literally surrounded by safe Labour seats to its north and east, surely Wythenshawe doesn't need any help for example! Then again Alty is fairly easy to get to on the tram from Manchester. The other issue relates to the question of whether Manchester Central is so overflowing with activists that they can help out in Altrincham? From my recollection in the past, seats like Altrincham and Sale West were for more likely to have active members than the likes of Manchester Central with a very transient population? I personally know several active members of MCCLP (including Bossman’s fiancée) and there will be quite a few more. |
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Post by matureleft on Jun 2, 2024 7:10:16 GMT
I don’t think that I’ll be surrendering critical information if I reveal that “twinning” varies from a properly organised activity with some significant resources involved to an aspirational, even notional gesture.
And the difference between the two poles isn’t necessarily related to geography or even the perceived prospects of success in the target seat. Like all parties we are made up almost entirely of volunteers and corralling people to work elsewhere can’t be done without willingness, strong sympathy for the purpose in the target and some organisation plus, of course, a genuine cadre of active members able to transfer.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 2, 2024 7:59:46 GMT
The other issue relates to the question of whether Manchester Central is so overflowing with activists that they can help out in Altrincham? From my recollection in the past, seats like Altrincham and Sale West were for more likely to have active members than the likes of Manchester Central with a very transient population? I personally know several active members of MCCLP (including Bossman’s fiancée) and there will be quite a few more. If I'm not mistaken, @bossman and his fiance will now be living in the Manchester Rusholme constituency (not sure where his mrs is a councillor though, so perhaps she is sill in this CLP based on the ward she represents) |
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Post by batman on Jun 2, 2024 8:31:40 GMT
She is a councillor in this constituency though I think you are right that she will be resident in Manchester Rusholme. Not sure who bossman will vote for (not that that would affect the outcome, which of course he would know well). I suspect members of the new Rusholme CLP too will be likely to go to Altrincham & Sale West and doubless so will others. Probably a good half a dozen seats will be twinned with A&SW as there is not exactly a plethora of winnable marginals in southern Manchester. People in Blackley & Broughton or its successor CLPs will probably toddle off mainly to Bury North but perhaps Rochdale will get some outside help too.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 2, 2024 8:33:36 GMT
I've no doubt that members of Preston CLP are going up and down both the A6 and A59 over the next month.
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Post by batman on Jun 2, 2024 8:46:22 GMT
These twinning arrangements are not new. I was Twinning Co-ordinator for my CLP in the 1997 general election. We were instructed to go mainly to the then Tory marginal of Mitcham & Morden. Of course if the party's high command had been confident enough we would have spent time in less easy-to-win seats than that one, but very few seats were missed as a result of over-conservative targetting in that election. The twinning process remains, but of course the seats concerned are generally different ones.
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