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Post by maxque on Oct 25, 2022 16:03:51 GMT
Concerning the local elections in Ontario i waited for hours, that an inSider might write anything, as this has not happened i will try my best, hopefully without causing another meltDown. The summa summarum first: All 4 regional exLeaders were elected; in the 200.000-cities nearly no change happened, the inCumbents were reelected or their preferred crownPrinces. Toronto: Tony Tory (exTory i.e. Cons.) won easily with over 60% - no surprise. Ottawa: The favorite of the Liberal mayor prevailed on a midright platForm surprisingly clearly (51% vs. 38% for a progressive). Mississauga: The Liberal mayor can continue. Brampton: Brown - another exToryLeader - was reelected (60%) despite all scandals. Hamilton: This city will see a sharp change: Instead of a Cons. it will be run by - Mrs.Horwath, until recently regional NDP-chief. She made it only narrowly, though. London: Morgan is like his predecessor (center)right. Markham: Liberal mayor Scarpitti reelected (60%). Vaughan: Del Duca - the regional LiberalLeader few months ago - defended it for the Lib.s (but also rather closely). Kitchener: Liberal inCumbent Vrbanovic reelected (80%). Windsor: Dilkens, like the sitting mayor from the (center)right, got it (52.5% vs. 38.7% for a progressive). In some councils a shift to the left seems to have taken place, though. Good work. Two notes to add: For Toronto, I don't think any Conservative would consider John Tory as one of them. He is, in UK terms, extremely wet or in Canadian terms, a Red Tory. Bad results for the left in mayoral races is expected, the system was designed in that way. Mike Harris created those enormous local governments, where pretty much every urban core amalgamated all the suburbs and enough rural lands to make sure the core was outvoted. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 30, 2022 17:33:41 GMT
Ottawa, councillors grouped by progressive vs. conservative (which is not clear with everyone):  |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 30, 2022 17:35:03 GMT
In Winnipeg a pastor close to the Tories won narrowly (and with just 26%) against a scandal-plagued Liberal.
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Post by timrollpickering on Nov 30, 2022 15:30:52 GMT
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Post by johnloony on Nov 30, 2022 18:23:01 GMT
6 candidates from parties, 34 Independent candidates, and the same agent for 31 of the Independent candidates and for the Rhinoceros Party candidate. If they are connected in some way with the Rhinoceros Party, why didn’t they all stand as Rhinoceros Party candidates? |
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Post by timrollpickering on Nov 30, 2022 19:22:55 GMT
It's possible Canadian election law prevents it. Some jurisdictions only allow one candidate per registered party though candidates with the same agent is clearly a major loop hole.
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 30, 2022 19:29:40 GMT
6 candidates from parties, 34 Independent candidates, and the same agent for 31 of the Independent candidates and for the Rhinoceros Party candidate. If they are connected in some way with the Rhinoceros Party, why didn’t they all stand as Rhinoceros Party candidates? They were on the horns of a dilemma. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Nov 30, 2022 20:20:52 GMT
6 candidates from parties, 34 Independent candidates, and the same agent for 31 of the Independent candidates and for the Rhinoceros Party candidate. If they are connected in some way with the Rhinoceros Party, why didn’t they all stand as Rhinoceros Party candidates? They were on the horns of a dilemma. Possibly, like here, you’re only allowed one candidate per Party, so one had to be the Party candidate whilst the others 34 either had to register 34 separate parties or stand as Indies? |
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Post by peterl on Nov 30, 2022 20:23:48 GMT
They were on the horns of a dilemma. Possibly, like here, you’re only allowed one candidate per Party, so one had to be the Party candidate whilst the others 34 either had to register 34 separate parties or stand as Indies? I don't think that's a restriction here. I'm sure (last year I think) there was somewhere Labour put up two candidates for one seat. In Gloucestershire possibly? |
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Post by timrollpickering on Nov 30, 2022 21:37:23 GMT
Possibly, like here, you’re only allowed one candidate per Party, so one had to be the Party candidate whilst the others 34 either had to register 34 separate parties or stand as Indies? I don't think that's a restriction here. I'm sure (last year I think) there was somewhere Labour put up two candidates for one seat. In Gloucestershire possibly? It happens a number of times across different parties. The Loonies were deliberate in Kingston last year and ISTR the Beauties for Britain Party putting beauty queens up against each other but otherwise it usually seems to be a product of miscommunication, generally when more than one constituency party appears to think it's their responsibility. |
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Post by maxque on Dec 12, 2022 20:11:48 GMT
The by-election is tonight.
In sadder news, Jim Carr, former Cabinet minister and current MP for Winnipeg South Centre has died of cancer today.
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Post by timmullen1 on Dec 12, 2022 20:29:59 GMT
Possibly, like here, you’re only allowed one candidate per Party, so one had to be the Party candidate whilst the others 34 either had to register 34 separate parties or stand as Indies? I don't think that's a restriction here. I'm sure (last year I think) there was somewhere Labour put up two candidates for one seat. In Gloucestershire possibly? You’re only allowed one candidate per Party per vacancy; in the Labour Party there’s a designated person, usually the CLP Secretary who has to sign a form allowing the candidate, under the PPERA, to use any variation of the words “Labour Party” that’s registered with the Elextoral Commission and the rose logo. That form has to be included with the nomination form and without it the Retirning Officer is not supposed to accept the nomination. There was a by-election fairly recently with two “official” Labour candidates but AFAIK we never ascertained what the reasons were. |
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Post by ilerda on Dec 12, 2022 20:36:33 GMT
Are you sure you’re only allowed one candidate per party per vacancy? I understand why a party would have that internal rule, but seems like a weird thing for the law to insist on provided each candidate uses the description legally.
And I seem to recall the OMRLP recently stood more candidates than there were vacancies in a council election.
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Post by timrollpickering on Dec 12, 2022 20:52:14 GMT
There is no restriction at all. There's also (to my knowledge) no restriction on how many people can be delegated the power of authorisation and there have certainly been times when I've had the power delegated for a specific area overlapping on at least one other person with the power, usually because the post crosses parliamentary boundaries.
The mainstream parties overnominating is usually down to poor communication about who is sorting out paper candidates for particular areas.
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Post by timmullen1 on Dec 12, 2022 21:53:33 GMT
There is no restriction at all. There's also (to my knowledge) no restriction on how many people can be delegated the power of authorisation and there have certainly been times when I've had the power delegated for a specific area overlapping on at least one other person with the power, usually because the post crosses parliamentary boundaries. The mainstream parties overnominating is usually down to poor communication about who is sorting out paper candidates for particular areas. That may be true of the Conservative Party but it most definitely is not the case in the Labour Party which, at least up to Stoke’s most recent all out elections in 2019, when I was authorised to sign for all Stoke South candidates, was as I set out. |
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Post by johnloony on Dec 12, 2022 22:22:58 GMT
There is no restriction at all. There's also (to my knowledge) no restriction on how many people can be delegated the power of authorisation and there have certainly been times when I've had the power delegated for a specific area overlapping on at least one other person with the power, usually because the post crosses parliamentary boundaries. The mainstream parties overnominating is usually down to poor communication about who is sorting out paper candidates for particular areas. That may be true of the Conservative Party but it most definitely is not the case in the Labour Party which, at least up to Stoke’s most recent all out elections in 2019, when I was authorised to sign for all Stoke South candidates, was as I set out. You seem to be talking about Labour Party rules, whereas everybody else is talking about electoral law. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Dec 12, 2022 22:45:49 GMT
That may be true of the Conservative Party but it most definitely is not the case in the Labour Party which, at least up to Stoke’s most recent all out elections in 2019, when I was authorised to sign for all Stoke South candidates, was as I set out. You seem to be talking about Labour Party rules, whereas everybody else is talking about electoral law. Well as the form I have to sign has the Electoral Commission paraphernalia on it, clearly states that I am the Authorised Individual of [insert Party], by submitting the form I am confirming that the individual named on the form is legally entitled to use the registered description and logos of the Party mentioned above, and that the EC guidance states a candidate must submit “authorisation to use a party description and an emblem request form (if standing on behalf of a registered party)” in order to be validly nominated, I’m assuming it spreads beyond the Labour Party. I am also aware of candidates who have been denied the use of Party identification (non Labour) because of the lack of said form. |
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Post by johnloony on Dec 12, 2022 22:59:33 GMT
You seem to be talking about Labour Party rules, whereas everybody else is talking about electoral law. Well as the form I have to sign has the Electoral Commission paraphernalia on it, clearly states that I am the Authorised Individual of [insert Party], by submitting the form I am confirming that the individual named on the form is legally entitled to use the registered description and logos of the Party mentioned above, and that the EC guidance states a candidate must submit “authorisation to use a party description and an emblem request form (if standing on behalf of a registered party)” in order to be validly nominated, I’m assuming it spreads beyond the Labour Party. I am also aware of candidates who have been denied the use of Party identification (non Labour) because of the lack of said form. You seem to be talking about the legal requirement for a party’s candidate to be authorised by a certificate from the party’s nominating officer, whereas everybody else is talking about the maximum permitted number of candidates per party per vacancy. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Dec 13, 2022 0:05:49 GMT
Well as the form I have to sign has the Electoral Commission paraphernalia on it, clearly states that I am the Authorised Individual of [insert Party], by submitting the form I am confirming that the individual named on the form is legally entitled to use the registered description and logos of the Party mentioned above, and that the EC guidance states a candidate must submit “authorisation to use a party description and an emblem request form (if standing on behalf of a registered party)” in order to be validly nominated, I’m assuming it spreads beyond the Labour Party. I am also aware of candidates who have been denied the use of Party identification (non Labour) because of the lack of said form. You seem to be talking about the legal requirement for a party’s candidate to be authorised by a certificate from the party’s nominating officer, whereas everybody else is talking about the maximum permitted number of candidates per party per vacancy. Which, if you could be arsed to read, is what I said, but don’t worry about it. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Dec 13, 2022 0:40:37 GMT
You seem to be talking about the legal requirement for a party’s candidate to be authorised by a certificate from the party’s nominating officer, whereas everybody else is talking about the maximum permitted number of candidates per party per vacancy. Which, if you could be arsed to read, is what I said, but don’t worry about it. Oh, come now Tim. You're making the forum very unwelcoming on one of the public threads. |
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