CatholicLeft
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Post by CatholicLeft on Mar 29, 2024 9:11:04 GMT
ORKNEY Stromness and South Isles PARK, Janette Anne (Independent) 757 THOMSON, Magnus (Independent) 125 1 BP rejected as unmarked or void for uncertainty Turnout 39.8% Just waiting for an excitable Corbynite to post that "the Indies are on the March and Starmer is toast!" These people are thick, I got blocked for pointing out that most independents are certainly not of the left.
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Post by batman on Mar 29, 2024 9:48:08 GMT
I'm wondering when, if ever, a Labour councillor was last elected in Orkney - I think it has happened in Shetland.
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 29, 2024 10:00:10 GMT
I'm wondering when, if ever, a Labour councillor was last elected in Orkney - I think it has happened in Shetland. There is a Labour councillor in Shetland (Shetland North), but Orkney is effectively all Independent. There are two Green councillors on Orkney. Suppose the Independent councillors probably vote LibDem. It's very safe.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 29, 2024 10:08:12 GMT
I'm wondering when, if ever, a Labour councillor was last elected in Orkney - I think it has happened in Shetland. There doesn't seem to have been a Labour candidate since 1986 (in Stromness South), and there were a few in 1982 but all of them were at the bottom of the poll. But, as with the City of London, it's very likely Labour Party members were elected as Independents.
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 29, 2024 10:18:00 GMT
There was a Labour candidate in Orkney at a 2020 byelection (there were some in Scotland later that year, unlike England)
They polled a relatively modest 17%, though that was enough to come second to the winning Independent (and ahead of two others)
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 29, 2024 10:40:22 GMT
There was a Labour candidate in Orkney at a 2020 byelection (there were some in Scotland later that year, unlike England) They polled a relatively modest 17%, though that was enough to come second to the winning Independent (and ahead of two others) Yes - she stood in 2019, for Labour, Coilla Drake, Orkney and Shetland.
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 29, 2024 10:41:49 GMT
Good result for Labour in Neath-wherever-it-is.
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ColinJ
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Post by ColinJ on Mar 29, 2024 10:44:17 GMT
Good result for Labour in Neath-wherever-it-is. That's what I thought too, inducing a 'like' to David's post of the result!
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Post by andrewp on Mar 29, 2024 10:55:37 GMT
An update on local by election statistics this municipal year, following the three contests on 28/03/24
Excluding countermanded elections, up to 28 March 2024 there have now been 163 ordinary by elections for 165 seats since May 4th 2023 . In 2022/23 year there were 183 by elections, in 2023/24 it looks like there will be 175, so a slight decrease
The Conservatives have defended 46- Held 18 and lost 28: 5 to the Greens, 16 to the Lib Dems, 6 to Labour and 1 to an Independent. ( retention rate 39%) and have gained 10
Labour have defended 52- Held 37 and lost 15- 5 to the Conservatives, 5 to Independents, 3 to the Lib Dems and 2 to the Greens( retention rate 71%) and have gained 12
Lib Dems have defended 30- Held 27 and lost 3, 1 each to the Conservatives and Greens and 1 to an Independent ( retention rate 90% ) and have gained 23
Greens have defended 10- Held 6 and lost 4: 1 each to the Conservatives, Labour, the Liberal Democrats and to an Independent( retention rate 60%) and have gained 10
There have been elections for 13 seats previously won by Independents: 7 have been won by an another Independent , 2 have been lost to the Greens and 1 each to the Conservatives, Labour, the Lib Dems and Plaid Cymru.And Independents have gained 9 Residents/ local groups have defended 6, held 4 and lost 2 to the Lib Dems. SNP have defended 5, lost 5, 2 to the Conservatives and 3 to Labour ( retention rate 0%) PC have defended 3, held 1 , lost 2, 1 to Labour and 1 to an Independent (retention rate 33%) and have gained 1
Overall net changes
Con -18 Lab -3 LD +20 Green +6 Ind + 3 SNP -5 PC -1 Res/ local groups -2
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Post by batman on Mar 29, 2024 10:56:11 GMT
I'm wondering when, if ever, a Labour councillor was last elected in Orkney - I think it has happened in Shetland. There is a Labour councillor in Shetland (Shetland North), but Orkney is effectively all Independent. There are two Green councillors on Orkney. Suppose the Independent councillors probably vote LibDem. It's very safe. thanks, for some reason I had forgotten that there is a Labour councillor in Shetland. In the old days it was often said that the Tories had some strength in Orkney, and Labour in Shetland, at least in parliamentary elections, but I'm not sure whether that's still the case.
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Post by batman on Mar 29, 2024 10:57:46 GMT
Re Neath, it was a good result, one of those occasions where I'm delighted to have been wrong. The most recent Welsh poll was very good for Labour too. Is there perhaps a slight bounce for new First Minister Gething? Probably there isn't enough evidence to say yea or nay to that at present.
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 29, 2024 11:36:49 GMT
think someone just confused east and west, happens all the time It does, but the fact that this one has lasted over 40 years through a couple of reviews is strange. Nobody seems bothered enough by it being wrong to try to change it. Ah, but you see by this point it's traditional.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Mar 29, 2024 12:18:31 GMT
"East" is traditional Vale of Neath dialect word, which loosely translates as "West".
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Mar 29, 2024 13:04:41 GMT
Good result for Labour in Neath-wherever-it-is. Especially seeing as you had an unofficial candidate (Finn, who lives in the ward) in addition to your official candidate from Pontardawe Address in Neath Port Talbot County Borough splitting your vote. I'd actually expected this to be much closer between Heard, Finn, and Lloyd. Very strong result for Labour.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Mar 29, 2024 13:09:40 GMT
Re Neath, it was a good result, one of those occasions where I'm delighted to have been wrong. The most recent Welsh poll was very good for Labour too. Is there perhaps a slight bounce for new First Minister Gething? Probably there isn't enough evidence to say yea or nay to that at present. I think it's probably more local issues – the council's budget mess basically. Edit: oh, and the council are obviously to blame for Tata Steel.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Mar 29, 2024 13:13:47 GMT
I don’t have a postcard available, but in answer to andrewteale ’s question about the name of the ward: i have asked several people (including the local councillors and the Boundary Commission), but none of them seem to know why it’s called “Neath East” because the original decision is buried in the depths of history, before the modern version of the Boundary Commission existed. But my own theory is that it is because the ward is on the east bank of the river Neath. Nothing to do with where the actual town is. think someone just confused east and west, happens all the time I think it's an east-south confusion (or maybe a dwyrain-de one). The old South ED is the one that was split to create South and East. Basically they ballsed up the order in 1983.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 29, 2024 13:53:25 GMT
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 29, 2024 14:05:42 GMT
The Hounslow situation was not as illogical as the Neath one though. I was obviously socialised on the 1978 boundaries and while it did seem a bit odd to me that the wards were so named, there were potentially logical explanations. The West ward did lie directly West of the town centre and also extended further West than did Hounslow Heath. Although the Heath was in the West ward, the frontage of it did abut the Hounslow Heath ward. It occured to me that 'Hounslow Heath' might be a semi-separate community to Hounslow proper (in a similar way as Bushey Heath is to Bushey) and that would have been a satisfactory explanation for me (I don't believe it is but I could be wrong). It is only that they changed to the more logical ordering of the names in 2002 which leads me to believe that they may have made a mistake earlier.
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Post by iainbhx on Mar 29, 2024 14:09:53 GMT
think someone just confused east and west, happens all the time I think it's an east-south confusion (or maybe a dwyrain-de one). The old South ED is the one that was split to create South and East. Basically they ballsed up the order in 1983. Won't be a dwyrain-de, orders were solely in English back in 1983.
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Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Mar 29, 2024 15:17:40 GMT
Good result for Labour in Neath-wherever-it-is. And a very poor one for Plaid, by the looks of it.
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